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« Reply #200 on: December 11, 2016, 06:46:18 AM »
It's all so clear to me now.

Like as I wrote on my Shrink application recently (to get an appointment):
"I don't have a Persecution Complex; I have a Persecution Track Record."
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« Reply #201 on: December 11, 2016, 11:35:39 AM »
Stop saying prick

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« Reply #202 on: December 13, 2016, 01:45:42 PM »
And start saying?___________?
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« Reply #203 on: April 13, 2017, 11:22:19 AM »
Elko Taxman: "Give me yer money or I'll take your house".

Tello
: "I GAVE you my money to keep my house safe,
and you have consistently REFUSED to do so.

"So jog-on and gimme my money back!".
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« Reply #204 on: April 16, 2017, 11:30:26 PM »
Hit the road, Tax, and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more...
"No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is ...a part of the maine; ...any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde"

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« Reply #205 on: June 29, 2017, 03:05:24 PM »
bUmP!
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« Reply #206 on: July 15, 2017, 01:28:35 AM »
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"No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is ...a part of the maine; ...any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde"

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« Reply #207 on: July 28, 2017, 11:56:41 AM »
This thread is weak. So is my life.

Seems fair...



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« Reply #208 on: July 29, 2017, 10:43:57 AM »
He LIVES!  He BREATHES!

Well, he breathes, at least.

Last I heard, "living" was uncertain.  It was more like "existing".

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« Reply #209 on: July 30, 2017, 05:53:49 AM »
We breathe even when we sleep. (Unless we have incredibly bad sleep apnoea.)

To live... well, yes, living certainly implies more than existing. Existence is a state of being that could apply to an idea, a house, a piece of music, a planet, a memory. Living in the strict biological sense has a definite meaning, with life being "The condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death."

In that biological sense, human beings are living creatures... but philosophically, some have drawn a distinction between "merely existing" and "living". If I were to draw that same distinction, I would probably identify a choice to enjoy life with our senses inasmuch as one can being a major point of distinction; I would also specify a tragic distinction in the difference between a person who is fully functioning and a person whose brain has been so damaged that he/she is maintained only by life support and is in a vegetative state.

Tello, if your life is weak, identify what events or issues are affecting it so that you feel that way. Then make some decisions. You are the helmsman of your ship, even going through treacherous and dangerous waters. The SS Tello is capable of not capsizing...
"No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is ...a part of the maine; ...any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde"

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« Reply #210 on: July 31, 2017, 12:26:47 PM »
Am I sposed to read all that?

I got "and a person whose brain has been so damaged that he/she is maintained only by life support and is in a vegetative state." My heavy drug days are of no consequence.

It's the self-imposed isolation that I enjoy most.

Send many USD's asap! I'll manage just fine....



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« Reply #211 on: July 31, 2017, 12:29:46 PM »
"The SS Tello is capable of not capsizing..." is a nice touch.
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« Reply #212 on: July 31, 2017, 01:33:30 PM »
If it does it comes right side up  passenger still  in situ
 change name to titello :titanic: :titanic:

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« Reply #213 on: July 31, 2017, 05:40:46 PM »
Tello, you DID read all that! :gmuffled:
"No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is ...a part of the maine; ...any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde"

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« Reply #214 on: July 31, 2017, 06:42:21 PM »
Sorry.  You lost me at: "The SS Tello is capable"

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« Reply #215 on: June 28, 2018, 06:54:16 AM »
Yes!


no


What?
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« Reply #216 on: June 28, 2018, 10:42:01 PM »
I must be seeing things....

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« Reply #217 on: July 03, 2018, 08:25:57 AM »
Keep them in perspective.

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« Reply #218 on: July 03, 2018, 09:58:08 PM »
I wear steel cap boots.

Seems appropriate for some reason... :huh:

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« Reply #219 on: August 08, 2018, 05:34:12 PM »
I wear shoes that are comfortable, pretty, and of good quality.

No steel caps.
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« Reply #220 on: September 18, 2018, 06:49:52 AM »
UPDATE:

Elko went to the Recorder's Office, took my property deed, crossed out my name and wrote in theirs.

All cuz they can.

I have until April 2019 to pay up $1K USD in back taxes. I wonder if I were to return home, use my keys to get in; would I get stomped for "trespassing"?

I really HATE those guys!!!
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« Reply #221 on: September 20, 2018, 11:40:37 PM »
Can you do some busking on your drums?

Put out a sign saying, "Give generously. They're taking my house! Need your help. Feel the rhythm of kindness."
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« Reply #222 on: September 20, 2018, 11:41:52 PM »
Par um pum pum pum

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« Reply #223 on: October 24, 2018, 11:54:27 AM »
Better idea: Sherry brought me to Montello. I'm in. Store is open. I'm drunk again. Life is suspect; I'm on watch. 775 776 2466
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« Reply #224 on: October 24, 2018, 05:37:26 PM »
Your back where your woes began?

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« Reply #225 on: November 22, 2018, 10:45:42 AM »
Hi all. I been here 6 weeks now and I plan to return to So.Cal next week. I miss my Baby Doll and the chores I do there.

Montello is repetition, and that's hell.

Sit. Smoke, drink, make a sale and repeat.

The folks I love. The evil ppl I avoid.

I paid my property taxes, now struggling to pay my Bar Tab. I have trade value items.

I wanna get out of here and maybe I will.

More as developments occur.

I'm camping in the ruins of my former empire.

NOT a happy camper.

Depression knocks on my door daily. I stay in bed.
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« Reply #226 on: November 25, 2018, 12:33:50 PM »
At the risk of opening wounds - how well has the old place fared in your absence?  Things stolen, things damaged, etc.?

Seems your opinions of California and Montello have flipped to what they were a couple of years ago...

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« Reply #227 on: February 28, 2019, 09:29:47 AM »
Delayed reaction:

My house was in fair shape. Some flood damages, no biggie.
Bad Elko got worse; uninhabitable all around I say.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217979518750208&set=pcb.10217979520110242&type=3&theater

Life in California is minimal, ISO better opportunities.

Still not connected with a Lawyer, et al. Seems society shut me out but I'm not done yet.

I'm too determined to die without a fight!

Save the last dance for me, and make it ROCK!!!
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« Reply #228 on: March 02, 2019, 06:15:39 AM »
ATTN: Sheilas and Blokes: Older and Wiser...the Tello saga continues. I trust that you won't think this is easy, cuz it ain't.


:tello:  "word"
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« Reply #229 on: March 06, 2019, 10:16:56 AM »
I'm composing a brief Bio.
Proofreaders wanted.


Hello again my Friend:

PART ONE.
Here's a Background Briefing of myself, to give you and others insight to my current situation...and things that need help from a select group of interested and concerned fellow Americans. That's who I want today.

I come from humble middle-class beginnings in El Monte, Ca since 1958.
The Mayor was my next door neighbour; the Hangin' Judge lived down the street, and across the street was Arroyo High School. It made for a volatile mix of American Culture in my wee Capricorn mind.

Counter-Culture was my favorite subject in the Classroom of Life. The AHS Campus was my Playground. The Janitors were my Teachers. The students were agitators, and I found Treasures in the trash and capitalized from it. (Supplemental income aside from my Paper Route. I had to feed my MAD Magazine habit, dontcha know?). And ultimately, I "knew the answers" to the trick questions that The System asked long before my Freshman year.

I was an ambitious lad, full of piss and vinegar, angst and disdain; rebellion and a fervent need to defect from the societal norm on the grounds of  intellectual & moral principles, and common sense.
And everybody was watching me. Mothers, Church, Nosey Neighbours, Admin and State. And that guy over there. He works overtime.

I evolved to be an Artist in my youth. Straight "A's" K-12. My talents raised suspicions in the Parlance of Admin.
One day, a Saturday, in 5th Grade I went Downtown and took a test. At the end, the man in white asked if I wanted to go to the 6th Grade come Monday. I declined, saying I would never survive past first recess.
  That put me on a Watch List.

After having failed keyboards, string and brass instruments in Elementary School and blasting Los Angeles AM Boss Radio from 1968 to 1972, I decided to play drums after banging my head against selected walls, and learning to believe the Message of Rock and Roll.
        The Saga of Remo Ron begins here.

High School was the formative years of an aspiring young: Drummer; Disc Jockey and an Advertising Graphic Artist.

I did it all.
My first flyer was for a local Car Club cruise on Hunnington Blvd. in 1974. The next day the Arcadia cops are on my phone, shaking me down for the What For. I said "It's advertising. I made the flyer. It has my number on it. You called me, right?"
  All the cops wanted to do was search and destroy the kids and their cars.
I was on another Watch List.

Now get this:
The first thing in September 1975, my Senior Year, I did something really big.
I proposed, produced and broadcasted on the Morning Announcements an LA FM Rock Radio-quality scripted spot for the Friday Night After-Game Dances. (Before me, they were nothing.)
  Personally, I went from an El Monte nobody drumming wannabe, to an Instant Cultural Icon in the Rock and Roll genre, all over the land. It happened in 60 seconds that fateful 1975 morning.
        That's when I was put on the Double-Secret Probation Watch List.

See, Authority, AKA Admin. does not like to share the Power and Control Spotlight with me. After 3 shows they shut me down, sighting "a lack of interest". Compare that lie to the Petition I distributed to get me on the air twice a week. 2000+ signatures in 5 days and it's still in my Evidence Archives. The older I got, the bigger the lies and I knew that Rebels are made, and not born. I had lots of friends then, and they were trouble; I was a reporter. I journaled. I still do.

END PART ONE

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« Reply #230 on: March 23, 2019, 03:54:33 PM »

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Hello. I have (and live) a story that must be told. No one wants to deal with me after I mention "Elko County, Nevada". It's an unwritten taboo, so it seems.
It entails 200 years of unbridled corruption, and follows up to what they are doing to me now: I'm a Political Refugee of my own home...and I still pay the property taxes. MY evidentiary documents await professional exam and consideration. A cursory review can be had here:
http://www.ozroundtable.com/index.php?topic=7992.0
I'm a multi-million dollar Civil Lawsuit/deal looking to happen, plus Specific Performance. Talk with me!!!
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I have sent you an email twice. Please review and respond. My story is important to be told as you will see when you follow the link. thank you!

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« Reply #231 on: March 25, 2019, 02:18:01 AM »
I don't think ICIJ does what I think you think it does...
"No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is ...a part of the maine; ...any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde"

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« Reply #232 on: March 26, 2019, 09:55:13 AM »
Nevermind that.
Check this out!


:tello:  "The hypocracy is glaring!"
So they like guns, but not if we use them wisely???


Do we stand up now ... or ... when they come to get the guns?

ELKO — A standing-room-only crowd clapped and cheered for Elko County Sheriff Aitor Narvaiza when he walked in before the start of the Elko County commissioners’ meeting Wednesday afternoon. The main item on the commissioners’ agenda was the discussion of a resolution to declare Elko County a Second Amendment sanctuary county, and around 200 people came out to show their support for their Second Amendment rights.

Twelve people got up to speak during the public comment session, and there were many expressions of assent as people talked. When the commissioners unanimously passed the resolution, people jumped to their feet in a standing ovation.

On Feb. 15 Nevada Governor Steve Sisolak signed Senate Bill 143, which has requirements for background checks for gun purchasers. After learning about this bill, Narvaiza thought that Elko County should follow the lead of other counties around the country protesting what they see as state laws which infringe on the Second Amendment.

Other rural counties in Nevada are also passing Second Amendment resolutions. Nevada Assemblyman Jim Wheeler joined Wednesday’s Elko County Commission meeting by phone and said that more than 500 people came out when the Douglas County commissioners passed their resolution March 14.

“It is my intention that Elko County sends a strong message to the people of Nevada,” Sheriff Narvaiza said at Tuesday’s meeting. “Listen to us and do not infringe on our Second Amendment rights.”

The resolutions being passed by counties around the country in support of gun rights take various approaches to opposing state gun laws. Some take a “send a message” approach, saying the county does not approve of the gun control laws being passed by the state, while some state that the county’s law enforcement officers will not enforce state laws deemed to be in violation of the Second Amendment.

The resolution which the Elko County commissioners approved Wednesday looks back through some of the history of the United States, and then concludes, “Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Elko County Board of Commissioners that Elko County is a Sanctuary County for the Second Amendment; and be it further resolved that this Board affirms its support of the duly elected Elko County Sheriff in the exercise of his sound discretion to not enforce any unconstitutional firearms laws against any citizen; and be it further resolved that this Board will not authorize or appropriate any funds or resources for the purpose of enforcing law that infringes on the constitutional right to keep and bear arms.”

“This support is overwhelming,” Commissioner Rex Steninger said to the crowd in his opening remarks at Wednesday’s meeting. “I’ve been on the commission for four years now, and I haven’t seen one thousandth of this interest.”

Steninger said that when he was sworn in as a county commissioner, he was sworn to defend and protect the constitution and the government. He said he commented at the time that sometimes the Constitution and the state government might not be on the same side of an issue.

“And this is a good example of that. We have to make a choice. Do we support the state government or the U.S. Constitution? It’s a pretty easy choice for me. I’m supporting the U.S. Constitution,” Steninger said to applause from the crowd.

“I think this background check is a lie,” Steninger continued. “Any sensible person doesn’t want a gun in a crazy person’s hands. And I think most of us would willingly submit to a background check if that’s what they really wanted. I think what they really want is to know who owns what gun.

“Registration is the first step to confiscation. History is littered with what happens when they take our guns away. I did a little research on this. One source estimated 56 million people were exterminated in the 20th century following gun registration and confiscation,” Steninger concluded.

“This effort to challenge this law, I don’t take this lightly,” Commissioner Demar Dahl said. “When we decide not to enforce that law, that’s an important decision. The way I made that decision was, we know what the goal is of those who want to pass this bill. At some point they want to take our guns. … They don’t just all of a sudden come out and confiscate guns. There are a lot of things that happen first, and this is one of them. And so, do we stand up now, or do we wait and stand up when they come to get the guns?”

Many people called out, “Now!”

“I love Elko County and the people that have got the courage to not let themselves be run over and stand up for the Constitution,” Dahl said.

“This isn’t the end of it,” Commissioner Cliff Eklund said. “This is just the start.”

He said there are at least two more bills being considered in the Nevada Assembly. One would restrict accessories to guns, and one is a “red flag” law which would allow guns to be confiscated based on people’s accusations, Eklund said.

Commissioner Delmo Andreozzi talked about an incident when he was young and someone tried to break into his family’s house, and he had a weapon to protect his family. Although he did not end up having to use the weapon, he said, “I shudder to think what would have happened that night had I not been armed.”

Elko County District Attorney Tyler Ingram said his responsibility is to provide a legal opinion on steps the commissioners take, and in this case his personal beliefs and his legal opinion aligned. Ingram read his statement on the resolution, saying, “The principles outlined in the Second Amendment Sanctuary County resolution are the same principles that every citizen, politician, and elected official should be prepared to protect and defend because those principles reiterate what is, and what always should be, protected by our United States Constitution and our Nevada Constitution. Any attempt to unlawfully infringe or violate our Constitutional rights should always be met with strong scrutiny. I am proud of the citizens of Elko County and the Board of Commissioners for voicing their opinions and taking a stance.”

Nevada Assemblyman John Ellison, along with Assemblyman Jim Wheeler and Randi Thompson of the Nevada Firearms Coalition, joined Tuesday’s meeting on the phone. Ellison talked about other “bad bills” which they are fighting in order to protect Second Amendment rights.

“We are with you 100 percent,” Ellison said. “We’re down here in the trenches, but we can’t do it alone.”

Wheeler said that SB 143 is “the camel’s nose under the tent.”

“We are mobilizing across our state to try to remind our governor that we are one Nevada in supporting our Constitution,” Thompson said.

“We’ve got to stand for something,” Elko City Councilman Chip Stone said at the start of the public comment session. “If we don’t, our rights and our privileges will be taken away.”

Dale Andrus recommended that people go to the Nevada legislative website and follow what is happening with the bills that are being considered.

“Sad to say, it looks like we’ve lost Nevada, but we’re not going to quit fighting,” he said.

Danielle Kohler said that on the legislative website you can put in the keyword “firearms” to keep up-to-date on relevant bills.

“I am so glad to see all these people here,” Kohler said. “This is so awesome. … But we’ve got to fight.”

“When the government wants to take away your firearms, they’re not doing it because they want to do something good for the populace,” Thomas Wolf said. “It never ends that way. It’s always something bad for the populace. Sheriff, I totally love you.”

“What’s the best way to eat an elephant?” Scott Allen asked. “One bite at a time – they’re taking away our rights.”

Former Elko County Sheriff Neil Harris said, “I’d like to take credit for what’s going on here, because I hired him,” referring to Sheriff Narvaiza.

“I want to thank you for standing up for our rights,” Gary Walker said to the Elko County commissioners at the close of the public comment period. “I want to remind Elko County and all Nevadans that Governor Bloomberg Sisolak will try to move against you guys for protecting us, so as a resident, remember, they’ve got our back, and we’ve got to have their back.”

“I’ve heard you guys say that it’s going to be hard for us,” Commissioner Eklund said. “But I think Gary pretty much sums it up. As long as you guys got our back, it ain’t going to be hard.”

Walker was referring to former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a gun-control activist who has been supportive of Gov. Sisolak and the gun control efforts in the Nevada legislature.

In a statement released March 14, Sisolak said, “My office and that of the attorney general are aware of the letters from multiple rural Nevada sheriffs regarding SB 143. While the law will not take effect until January 2020, I look forward to working with Attorney General (Aaron) Ford and local law enforcement over the next several months to review ways to enforce this law, as is the case with all other Nevada laws that elected officers are sworn to uphold.”


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Australia's stance on firearm laws is very different... Different history, different perspective.

As I was re-reading some of my favourite Zane Grey novels, I mused upon the evident difference in law, historically speaking, between Australia and America. America had its wild west, where law hadn't yet come to certain states or areas, and where people would take justice into their own hands. Cattle rustling, mavericking - or going west and changing one's name while there to hide a more disreputable past... the gun was a practical symbol of backing up an accusation, and a lynching was a practical symbol of handing out summary justice to a rustler. Gunmen with their assiduously practised fast draw would come to be not only individuals, but symbols of something to be beaten by eager youths who thought that they could outdraw the gunman they'd tracked down to confront.

And when sheriffs were finally beginning to be appointed in wild west counties, it was against the background of men and women already being accustomed to justice self-service style.

America's laws began with British law, but because of America's early turning against England in its fight for independence, and its victory (with French help) ratified in the Treaty of Paris in 1782, there was a profound sense of deliberately establishing new law for America. The United States Declaration of Indepdence had already been adopted during the struggle against Great Britain, in 1776, so this is a Declaration agreed upon and established in a time when political and philosophical difference to that of Britain was at its highest. America's Constitution (est. 1787) flowered out of the drawing together of separate states with their own concerns, and the battle against Britain for independence.

Some historical background - Terra Australis, New Holland, Terra Australia (again), Australia!
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In Australia, from the time of colonisation by Great Britain, there wasn't that fight for independence. Remember, Australia was first used for penal colonies, and it was seen as land to be appropriated by Great Britain in the wake of American independence and the subsequent loss of British territory. There weren't areas and states with their own very territorial perspectives. Originally the whole of Terra Australis was called New Holland, and then in 1788, after Cook sailed along the eastern coast of New Holland (aka Australia) and claimed it as British territory (calling it New Wales and then changing it to New South Wales), the British divided New Holland (Australia) up into two parts. There was the western territory which retained the name of New Holland, and the eastern territory newly dubbed New South Wales; the boundary was pretty much split down the middle of Australia. There was some confusion in name, because the whole of Australia was still called New Holland at this time... There was a proposal by Matthew Flinders to revert back to the "original name" of Terra Australis in 1804, and this was finally agreed upon by Britain in 1824. The boundary moved west to increase New South Wales' area in 1825 (and to pre-empt French settlement), while New Holland correspondingly shrank.

New Holland was renamed Western Australia 1832 (Swan River Colony).

With further settlement, New South Wales became progressively more divided up, and it wasn't until 1851 that we had Victoria officially become a colony distinct from the rest of New South Wales.

The colonies were six in number at the time of Federation in 1901 when the Commonwealth of Australia was proclaimed.


Australia's ties to the UK are still very real.  The colonies of Australia operated under British law, (Australian Courts Act 1828 (UK) demonstrates this) and Federation was based upon the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900 (Imp) which came into effect, of course, in 1901. This Act was actually an Act of the UK Parliament.

Law in Australia is for the most part derived from English law. Federal law applies to all States and Territories, and if a State law is inconsistent with Federal law, Federal law preponderates.

The history of Australia has not required armed civilians to rise up against Britain; colonies were controlled by British regular troops - at first marines, then a special colonial unit, then infantry, engineer and artillery units. It wasn't until the 1850s that local forces were actively recruited and began forming colonial police forces, and about 20 years later (when the last British regiment left - there was a great need for more troops to fight in the Anglo-Maori wars), there was no choice BUT to have local forces. Admittedly local militia did form earlielr than that; I am reasonably sure that the earliest reference is in December 1788 when Lieutenant Philip King (stationed on Norfolk Island) was worried that the balance of power between his marines and the convicts on that small island settlement was dangerously inclined towards the convicts because they outnumbered the marines (who were only six in number).

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Mr. Stephen Dunnavan Mid. of His Majesties Ship Sirius                      1   
Mr. Tho.s Jamieson, Surgeons first Mate of Do                1   
Mr. Jn.o Altree Assistant Surgeon    1
Roger Morley, Robert Webb, Tho.s Webb, Seamen belonging to D.o          3   
John Livingstone Carpenter late belonging to D.o    1   
Serjeant, Corporal, & Six private Marines      816 Free 
 
Male Convicts     29
Female convicts  17
                                                                     In all     62          Noo 2 Convicts
Children
Philip Gidley King - official journal being a narrative of the preparation and equipment of the First Fleet and voyage to New South Wales, 1786 - December 1790; compiled 1790


So it made sense for Lt King to make use of the six free men and get them trained up in the use of muskets, ready to be added to the defence force.

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Having Six Musquets,
besides the Marines
Arms, I judge it proper
to instruct all the Free
people on the Island
(being Six) In the use of
Fire arms In case of the
Marines being sick or
any other exigency
wherefore I gave orders
to the Serjeant &
Corporal of Marines to
exercise them regularly
every Saty Morning As
well as the Marines —
when the former are
tolerable expert, I mean
that they shall fire half a
dozen rounds once a
Month — which is
putting the Island In the
best state of defence in
my power —
The Journal of Philip Gidley King, Lieutenant, R.N. 1787-1790


Another reason for free settlers being roped in in this fashion may have been due to the British troops being highly reluctant to perform what they thought of as "extra duties". They didn't seem to realise that upon landing in New Holland (Terra Australis), they were required to do far more than simple garrison duty. Here's a letter written in May 1788 by Governor Arthur Phillip to the Secretary of Colonies (Lord Sydney) about it:
 I have in my first letter had the honour of observing to Your Lordship the great want of proper persons to superintend the convicts. The officers who compose the detachment are not only few in number, but most of them have declined any interference with the convicts, except when they are employed for their own particular service. I requested soon after we landed that the officers would encourage such (people) they saw diligent, and point out for punishment such as they saw idle or straggling in the woods. This was all I desired, but the officers did not understand any interference with the convicts was expected, and that they were not sent out to do more than the duty of soldiers. The consequence must be obvious to Your Lordship. Here are only convicts to attend to the convicts, and who in general fear to exert any authority, and very little labour is drawn from them in a country which requires the greatest exertions. In this declaration, I do not mean to include the Lieutenant-Governor. who has shown every attention that could be expected from him, and the Judge-Advocate, acting as a Justice of the Peace with a diligence which does him the greatest of credit, they are under as good order as our present situation permit.

The sitting as members of Criminal Courts is thought a hardship by the officers, and of which they say they were not informed before they left England. It is necessary to mention this circumstance to your Lordship, that officers coming out may know that a young colony requires something more from the officers than garrison duty.

The not having the power of immediately granting lands the officers likewise feel as a hardship. They say they shall be obliged to to make up their minds as to staying in the country or returning before they know what the bounty of Government intends them.

As it is, My Lord, impossible for the Commissary to attend to the issuing of provisions without some person of confidence to assist and to be charged with the details, I have appointed the person who was charged with the victualing of the convicts from England. There is, likewise, a person who acts as Provost-Marshall (the one appointed in England not having come out) and who likewise superintends the different works going on. Two people, who are farmers, and the clerk of the Sirius are employed cultivating ground and in the store, as likewise a smith that superintends the convict smith. As the granting of these people any land would at present draw their attention from the public service, I have promised that their situation should be represented to Your Lordship.


Ownership of firearms and access to them was controlled from the time when the first penal colonies were set up; obviously convicts had to be prevented from wielding firearms against the British troops and free settlers. Occasionally convicts in vulnerable locations were given firearms to defend themselves and the settlers to whom they were indentured, against aboriginal uprisings, but it's not surprising that the privilege was abused, as the following quotation, referring to an incident in 1790, demonstrates:

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It having been found that the arms and ammunition which were entrusted to the convicts residing at the distant farms for their protection against the natives, were made a very different use of, an order was given recalling them, and prohibiting any convicts from going out with arms, except McIntire, Burn, and Randall, who were licensed game-killers.

An Account of the English Colony of NSW Vol 1, by David Collins, Esquire. 1798


In the same work, Collins speaks of an accidental death by gunshot (in 1792), which illustrates that free men were using firearms for hunting at that time.

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On Friday the 13th died Mr. David Burton, of a gunshot wound which he received on the preceding Saturday. This young man, on account of the talents he possessed as a botanist, and the services which he was capable of rendering in the surveying line, could be but ill spared in this settlement. His loss was occasioned by one of those accidents which too frequently happen to persons who are inexperienced in the use of fire-arms. Mr. Burton had been out with Ensign Beckwith, and some soldiers of the New South Wales corps, intending to kill ducks on the Nepean. With that sensation of the mind which is called presentiment he is said to have set out, having more than once observed, that he feared some accident would happen before his return; and he did not cease to be tormented with this unpleasant idea, until his gun, which he carried rather awkwardly, went off, and lodged its contents in the ground within a few inches of the feet of the person who immediately preceded him in the walk through the woods. Considering this as the accident which his mind foreboded, he went on afterwards perfectly freed from any apprehension. But he was deceived. Reaching the banks of the river, they found on its surface innumerable flocks of those fowl of which they were in search. Mr. Burton, in order to have a better view of them, got upon the stump of a tree, and, resting his hand upon the muzzle of his piece, raised himself by its assistance as high as he was able. The butt of the piece rested on the ground, which was thickly covered with long grass, shrubs, and weeds. No one saw the danger of such a situation in time to prevent what followed. By some motion of this unfortunate young man the piece went off, and the contents, entering at his wrist, forced their way up between the two bones of his right arm, which were much shattered, to the elbow. Mr. Beckwith, by a very happy presence of mind, applying bandages torn from a shirt, succeeded in stopping the vast effusion of blood which ensued, or his patient must soon have bled to death. This accident happened at five in the afternoon, and it was not till ten o'clock at night of the following day that Mr. Burton was brought into Parramatta. The consequence was, such a violent fever and inflammation had taken place that any attempt to save life by amputation would only have hastened his end. In the night of the 12th the mortification came on, and he died the following morning, leaving behind him, what he universally enjoyed while living, the esteem and respect of all who knew him.


The settlers were also expected to defend not only their own settlements/farms, but to give each other assistance, if under attack. This was not to be taken as freedom to shoot/kill aboriginals wantonly; anyone who could be proved to murder an aboriginal would be held accountable under the law for the act of murder. The 1796 excerpt below is also from Collins' Account.

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The frequent attacks and depredations to which the settlers situated on the banks of the Hawkesbury, and other places, were exposed from the natives, called upon them, for the protection of their families, and the preservation of their crops, mutually to afford each other their assistance upon every occasion of alarm, by assembling without delay whenever any numerous bodies of natives were reported to be lurking about their grounds; but they seldom or never showed the smallest disposition to assist each other. Indolent and improvident even for their own safety and interest, they in general neglected the means by which either could be secured. This disposition being soon manifested to the governor, he thought it necessary to issue a public order, stating his expectations and directions, that all the people residing in the different districts of the settlemerits, whether the alarm was on their own farms, or on the farm of any other person, should upon such occasions immediately render to each other such assistance as each man if attacked would himself wish to receive; and he assured them, that if it should be hereafter proved, that any settlers or other persons withdrew or kept back their assistance from those who might be threatened, or who might be in danger of being attacked, they would be proceeded against as persons disobeying the rules and orders of the settlement. Such as had fire-arms were also positively enjoined not wantonly to fire at, or take the lives of any of the natives, as such an act would be considered a deliberate murder, and subject the offender to such punishment as (if proved) the law might direct to be inflicted.


In 1796, misuse of firearms was causing sufficient problems that it was thought necessary to regulate the possession of them. Non-military individuals who owned firearms were directed to register their firearms and get certificates signed by the commissary, permitting them to carry these arms. There were quite a number of men who didn't want their weapons to be registered.

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Several attempts had been made by the commissary to ascertain the number of arms in the possession of individuals; it being feared, that, instead of their being properly distributed among the settlers for their protection, many were to be found in the hands of persons who used them in shooting, or in committing depredations. It was once more attempted to discover their number, by directing all persons (the military excepted) who were in possession of arms to bring them to the commissary's office, where, after registering them, they were to receive certificates signed by him, of their being permitted to carry such arms.

Some few settlers, who valued their arms as necessary to their defence against the natives and against thieves, hastened to the office for their certificate; but of between two and three hundred stands of arms which belonged to the crown not fifty were accounted for.


There were undoubtedly those who have bought guns in Australia without registering them. That continues to the present day, although several firearm amnesties have seen a good number of unregistered firearms handed in.

Australia's gun laws are regulated by each State or Territory, as at a Federal level the government doesn't have constitutional authority over gun ownership/firearms. However, in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre, which was the final straw in Australia in terms of there needing to be tighter control over who can own a gun, then Prime Minister John Howard convinced each state to adopt the proposals of the National Firearms Agreement - even Queensland, which had some very resistant MPs in the Liberal government, and even in the teeth of the powerful gun lobby in Australia.

To this day, the overwhelming majority of Australians are in agreement with current gun regulation, although a significant number would like the current laws to be tightened further.

The gun laws in Australia prevent a prohibited person from owning a gun. (Prohibited persons vary from state to state, but in general anyone convicted of terrorism, violence/assaults, robbery, sexual offences, etc., would be a prohibited person.) A gun-owner must have a firearm licence; to be issued a firearm licence, the person must have a genuine reason (other than self-defence) for holding the licence. Firearms are required to be registered to their licenced owner. Firearms are required to be properly secured/stored. There are tighter prohibitions for semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons. There are some contentions state by state, in particular in terms of minors using guns... and no doubt gun control in Australia is still developing. Full compliance with the National Firearms Agreement hasn't been reached in ANY state, but it's an ongoing process.
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« Reply #234 on: April 01, 2019, 10:36:29 PM »
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« Reply #235 on: April 01, 2019, 10:48:08 PM »
     ... but most of mine is hidden by the Spoiler tag.

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« Reply #236 on: April 03, 2019, 11:26:14 AM »
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« Reply #237 on: April 03, 2019, 11:52:52 AM »
I had to ditch school today just to read that.

I'm gonna flunk the pop quiz for sure.
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« Reply #239 on: April 04, 2019, 05:03:39 AM »
There will be a pop quiz on Australian history.
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« Reply #240 on: April 04, 2019, 12:06:11 PM »
Get to the part where the citizens rise up against the tyrannical powers and prevail.
(Happy ending).
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« Reply #241 on: April 06, 2019, 10:09:08 PM »
That sounds like the plot for a Hollywood fail - or Tello has started a career in comedy.

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