Author Topic: Tis the season for fraudulent listings on eBay (Read 17241 times)

*wheels* · « **on:** November 12, 2010, 11:02:11 AM »

I just saw a post about this item on the eBay boards.

http://offer.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=280583003879&ed=

Seller joined eBay 1st November, now NARU
sold 23 of this item at $110 each = $2530

Who knows how many other sales of other items in the last 10 days!
All transaction records have been deleted by eBay.

Hopefully the buyers have paid with PayPal and will get refunds.

eBay needs to enforce a verification process for sellers.

tellomon · « **Reply #1 on:** November 12, 2010, 01:38:34 PM »

EbAY AND "DELETIONS" ARE UNIVERSAL.

acer2u · « **Reply #2 on:** November 13, 2010, 09:26:58 PM »

I would say it is long past due that eBay put in place a verification process for it's users with particular any new one's coming onboard whether they be a buyer or seller. It would certainly cut down on the amount of scammers on there but with most verifications process's nothing is infallible sadly, it is akin to the saying a locked door will only keep out an honest thief, a truly determined one will find a way.

This time of year brings out the opportunists looking to make a quick buck and in some respects eBay offers them a quick and effective medium for them to do it.

Poddy · « **Reply #3 on:** November 13, 2010, 10:38:26 PM »

Ace,

Me and many others have been pushing for proper verification for quite a number of years, some of us have even been banned from eBay because of it, yet the push goes on

acer2u · « **Reply #4 on:** November 14, 2010, 01:04:47 AM »

If I was a betting person and well I will admit to the odd occasional flutter, I doubt very much they will ever likely for the foreseeable future have any form of verification put in place akin to say somewhere like Oztion, though their own verification is not bulletproof either it is a darnsight better than eBay when optioning to have new sellers onboard.

It is a disappointment then that some have been banned but good to know that they are still fighting for it inspite of that - I take my hat off to them, many would walk away and not continue to push for it.

I have always leaned on the notion that they rank profits over genuine safety for their consumers to be their driving force despite their numerous claims to the contrary.

*Brum6y* · « **Reply #5 on:** November 14, 2010, 01:32:22 AM »

It is a sad state of affairs when a corporate body is seen to be less than diligent in protecting the small players - which, in the case of eBay - are the ones that breathed the life into it.

Even less inspiring are the accusations of deliberate indifference to and even active support of, fraud.

Put simply, EBay makes its money by taking a cut of every transaction that crosses its path - whether genuine or fraudulent - and the efforts to categorically discern between them are all but invisible.

And this is the most condemning and disheartening part of it ... that it is seemingly impossible to find the evidence to argue against these accusations.

acer2u · « **Reply #6 on:** November 14, 2010, 01:49:22 AM »

Indeed it is, extremely hard to dissuade from that notion.

Nobody wants to believe that they don't value and wish to protect their consumers but the way it appears often conflicts with that.

*CountessA* · « **Reply #7 on:** November 14, 2010, 09:41:32 AM »

A business has as its first priority the making of money, but this can and frequently does become quite obscene with the business becoming larger... It is noticeable when one DOES find a large business or corporation which genuinely functions with integrity.

On the other hand, I know small businesses which scorn certain types of behaviour - and which do function as a measure of the owner's own integrity.

*wheels* · « **Reply #8 on:** November 14, 2010, 11:27:56 AM »

Another one ......

http://offer.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=270662776741&ed=

Seller joined eBay 11th November, now NARU
last 100 sales were for 202 of this item at $14.99 each on 13th November = $3027

A too good to be true price for that item! I guess the seller is relying on the fact that a lot of buyers wouldn't think twice about paying a seller $15 by bank deposit.

Who knows how many other sales of other items in the 2 days!
http://completed.shop.ebay.com.au/lkgutt/m.html?rt=nc&LH_Complete=1&_fln=1&_ipg=50&_trksid=p3911.c0.m283&_rdc=1
According to Goofbay the seller had a total $18535 worth of listings.
All transaction records have been deleted by eBay.

Am I being repetitive?

Hopefully the buyers have paid with PayPal and will get refunds.

eBay needs to enforce a verification process for sellers.

*wheels* · « **Reply #9 on:** November 14, 2010, 11:40:50 AM »

Hmm, I wonder if this is the same seller?

http://shop.ebay.com.au/vxcree/m.html

Similar low value items, joined eBay 10 Nov, zero feedback (and a store, how does that work? I thought you had to have 5 feedback to open a store?)

Cuddlee Pet Pillow Plush Stuffed Pillow Pet - Bear
$9.99 Free Postage

I don't know how big they are, but postage would have to cost at least $4.55.
Even the Chinese fake Pillow Pets are selling for $20!

*wheels* · « **Reply #10 on:** November 14, 2010, 05:21:15 PM »

Seller above now NARU, hopefully not too many buyers were caught out.

*CountessA* · « **Reply #11 on:** November 15, 2010, 09:10:24 AM »

I sense that there are some good concerned citizens doing some reporting, hmmm?

Since eBay will not protect its members by genuine anti-fraud methods and genuine verification methods, it falls to the people to do their work for them.

*wheels* · « **Reply #12 on:** November 15, 2010, 05:47:48 PM »

They're back!

http://shop.ebay.com.au/snbreuu/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686

*wheels* · « **Reply #13 on:** November 15, 2010, 07:31:35 PM »

Seller is Gone! NARU

Another dodgy seller bites the dust!

At least eBay are acting quickly.

*wheels* · « **Reply #14 on:** November 17, 2010, 10:48:02 PM »

They're back, again!

Item: Cuddlee Pet Pillow - Converts to a Pillow in Seconds
Listed in Category: Home > Gardening > Other
Location: hysity, New South Wales
new member joined 16/11/10, zero feedback, with a store

And the same keyboard listing as the other day with a different user ID
Flexible Silicone Keyboard USB 2.0 Completely Washable
new member joined 15/11/10, zero feedback, with a store

*CountessA* · « **Reply #15 on:** November 18, 2010, 10:45:29 AM »

Dedicated and determined frauds - but I have no doubt they have their patented excuses ready if anyone were to talk to them.

*smee* · « **Reply #16 on:** November 19, 2010, 05:37:51 PM »

is this another one .... new seller 0 feedback but has a store
chinese sounding name but location is listed as NSW ...thats possible but why then 7 to 15 days shipping

sold 44 already but too soon for any feedback .... a TomTom gps for 21 bucks with free shipping ??? sounds suss to me ... but they have insisted on paypal ... ???

time will tell

*wheels* · « **Reply #17 on:** November 19, 2010, 05:55:53 PM »

If it looks too good to be true .......

Makes you wonder, if it is a dodgy seller, are they harvesting email/PayPal addresses?

*smee* · « **Reply #18 on:** November 19, 2010, 06:01:46 PM »

they are up to something ... no postage to po boxes ... why would this be a problem to them if already paid ??? and on the face of it the price is way too good for it to be above board

*wheels* · « **Reply #19 on:** November 19, 2010, 06:21:33 PM »

Usually a seller specifies no postage to PO boxes if delivery is via courier. There is no way they could be selling them courier delivered for $21!

*wheels* · « **Reply #20 on:** November 19, 2010, 06:23:11 PM »

I can't get over how many people are willing to buy off a zero feedback seller who has been registered on eBay for 1-2 days, with no seller location or other details.

*smee* · « **Reply #21 on:** November 19, 2010, 06:28:48 PM »

maybe they think they cant lose , if something goes wrong they will ask paypal for a refund

*wheels* · « **Reply #22 on:** November 19, 2010, 06:40:02 PM »

I've just checked the listings from post #14, gone.

But, they've been replaced by another ID, AGAIN!!!!

Cuddlee Pet Pillow - Converts to a Pillow in Seconds
Item location: South Australia, South Australia, Australia

and this in the listing:
Sales Tax
For shipments to Ohio addresses, we are required by State law to collect 6.25% Sales Tax.

We ship most orders with 48 hours. Your order will arrive based on the shipping service selected at checkout. All items are shipped from Ohio.

They've obviously cut and pasted directly from a legitimate listing!

*Ubbie Max* · « **Reply #23 on:** November 19, 2010, 07:56:48 PM »

If the person is resident in Australia and is selling here in Australia he/she has no legal right or obligation to collect tax (6.25% Sales Tax) on behalf of another state in another country if the item is won/bought by a person from that state or country (Ohio, USA in this case).

*smee* · « **Reply #24 on:** November 20, 2010, 04:44:41 PM »

I dont know what happened to the TomToms , I cant find the listing now , I thought I had put a link here , obviously I didnt , but the listing appears to have been removed based on a search I just tried

*wheels* · « **Reply #25 on:** November 20, 2010, 05:34:37 PM »

No Smee, you didn't put a link here. I had to look for them myself yesterday.

I also forgot to report those other listings so I'll have to go check to see if they're still there.

*wheels* · « **Reply #26 on:** November 20, 2010, 05:43:35 PM »

The Pet Pillows are still there - 12 sold.

Don't buyers read the listings and check seller's history and feedback?

I'm sure most eBay sellers strive to provide the best products, price and service and keep a good feedback record and DSRs. Then when dodgy sellers like this swoop in and rip people off these buyers will probably tell everybody about their bad experience with buying on eBay! Surely it is in eBay's best interests to get rid of the dodgy sellers.

There needs to be a verification process for sellers.

*smee* · « **Reply #27 on:** November 20, 2010, 08:08:45 PM »

sorry I didnt leave a link wheels , but I did contact my man at ebay , and it would appear that they have see reason and shut this seller down

Liisa-Sx · « **Reply #28 on:** December 03, 2010, 04:09:07 PM »

Annd... another one. Check the feedback, and how is this person still on Ebay with a score of 58.8%

Beauty-Barn

http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=beauty-barn&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true

*smee* · « **Reply #29 on:** December 03, 2010, 04:15:56 PM »

and she only has 58% cos of the stuff she bought ... every item sold has been negged

and the 2nd last positive she got as a buyer is actually a neg also , but sellers cant leave negs for buyers or else he would be lower still than the 58 %

Liisa-Sx · « **Reply #30 on:** December 03, 2010, 04:17:55 PM »

Right Smee, and yet no red flag for Ebay lol

*smee* · « **Reply #31 on:** December 03, 2010, 10:08:40 PM »

and Tis the season for non-paying bidders ....this one confesses on the eBay boards .................
http://forums.ebay.com.au/topic/Ask-A-Member/Cant-Afford-It/500138683&start=0

*wheels* · « **Reply #32 on:** December 03, 2010, 10:15:19 PM »

We had a strange sale the other day. Brand new eBayer, joined 1/12, purchased a $140 BIN late that night. We sent an Invoice the following morning and they completed checkout to pay by bank deposit. A couple of hours later we received an email from eBay to say the bid had been retracted or cancelled. Huh? I didn't think that BINs could be retracted so thought there must have been some problem. Buyer was now NARU so we filed a dispute and received immediate refund of FVF.

This morning I was checking the bank account to post out a couple of other orders and their deposit was there! I packaged up the item, posted it to them and emailed the tracking details to the address on the original transaction. Hope they receive it OK.

I'm guessing they must have been de-registered for some reason???

callostemma · « **Reply #33 on:** December 03, 2010, 10:18:41 PM »

HHMM Only 20 replies allowed on a thread

*smee* · « **Reply #34 on:** December 03, 2010, 10:24:17 PM »

yes Callo , only 20 replies on those types of threads they are help threads not discussion threads ... if you cant get a proper answer to a help question within 20 replies then you just aint gonna get one are you

Liisa-Sx · « **Reply #35 on:** December 04, 2010, 01:09:45 AM »

Quote from: *smee* on December 03, 2010, 10:24:17 PM

yes Callo , only 20 replies on those types of threads they are help threads not discussion threads ... if you cant get a proper answer to a help question within 20 replies then you just aint gonna get one are you

Problem is a lot of those limited reply threads are used up with 'some' busy correcting spelling or picking apart the Op so they never get a straight answer in some cases.

Mind you the Buyer in this thread http://forums.ebay.com.au/topic/Ask-A-Member/Cant-Afford-It/500138683&start=0 went on my blocked buyer list immediately!!!!

*smee* · « **Reply #36 on:** December 04, 2010, 01:13:12 AM »

yes no doubt liisa ... I never go in that section , but I guess there are ways around it ...if a suitable conclusion hasnt been arrived at surely a new thread with the same title could be started and call it part 2 couldnt it ?

Liisa-Sx · « **Reply #37 on:** December 04, 2010, 01:15:47 AM »

yes Smee, it can, however it usually attracts more vultures, sorry helpers.. lol

I have ceased all Ebay Selling for the rest of the year, it is the Scam season and I don't need the headaches, it gets worse when school lets out and all the kiddies start bidding for fun, I'll start up again after school vacation ends.

*smee* · « **Reply #38 on:** December 04, 2010, 01:17:33 AM »

Im not selling anything at the moment either

*wheels* · « **Reply #39 on:** December 15, 2010, 10:25:56 AM »

They just don't give up!

new seller ID joined 11 Dec, with 2 feedback and a store
feedback left by:
Member since: 07-Jul-10 in Ghana / Member since 07-Jul-10 in United States
Member since: 31-Oct-10 in United States /

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290512391439 47 sold already and 252 available for more suckers!
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290512393446 4 sold

*wheels* · « **Reply #40 on:** December 15, 2010, 10:27:49 AM »

Oh dear, gone already!!

*smee* · « **Reply #41 on:** December 23, 2010, 01:45:33 PM »

check out the latest feedback for this seller .... not naru'd though ....yet

http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=pwilson77&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true

Liisa-Sx · « **Reply #42 on:** December 24, 2010, 01:21:10 AM »

Quote from: *smee* on December 23, 2010, 01:45:33 PM

check out the latest feedback for this seller .... not naru'd though ....yet

http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=pwilson77&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true

You would think Ebay would have some sort of red flag sensor to shut down these sorts when the negs roll in, but noooo.

Looks like a hijacked account.

tellomon · « **Reply #43 on:** December 24, 2010, 12:28:53 PM »

eBay DOES NOT care about fighting fraud.
They PROFIT from it.
word

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Author Topic: Tis the season for fraudulent listings on eBay (Read 17241 times)

Poddy