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What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« on: January 05, 2011, 01:16:42 PM »
A "real" shop - bricks and mortar... are we in danger of losing them due to the increased factor of online buying?

My ideal is a combination of online purchasing and b&m purchasing, but I do have specific services in mind when I go shopping.

  1. The shop should have informed and interested staff who are able to answer my questions intelligently, correctly and courteously.
  2. The shop should have a good range of items and the staff should be quick to say they can order in something which I want but which isn't in stock.
  3. The shop's staff should be able not only to answer my questions but give me information over and above my questions - recommending something based on what I've said, what I've already got, etc. This involves knowledge of human nature and excellent customer skills.
  4. The shop should not have "scan-it-yourself" checkout aisles. I don't often go to K-Mart, but I had about two hundred dollars' worth of items in K-Mart a few days ago, and the only staff member I saw at the aisles informed me in a lackadaisical way that none of the checkout aisles were manned (she was there apparently only to say that) and I should scan the items myself. I put down the items and said, "No, thanks - I don't go to a shop in order to act as its unpaid staff member by performing the sale myself", and left. (I'm sorry; I just HATE those self-checkout aisles! I believe there is too little human interaction already. I absolutely positively refuse to give in!)
  5. I'm not a fan of huge crowds, hence I don't shop on Boxing Day. (Well, one reason. I like relaxing on Boxing Day!)
  6. There should be adequate parking. This often is not the fault of the shop. Some councils have gone berserk, and allow barely any parking in front of shops - ridiculous parking rules and permit zones. Sometimes in shopping centres there just ISN'T enough parking even during most of the year, and at Christmas time it's inadequate to the point of wanting to beat yourself to death with a steering wheel.
  7. The shop should not be selling items at grossly inflated prices. A fair price according to RRP for local items, and a fair price according to the margin if it's an imported item... I prefer to buy locally if I can, for various reasons.
  8. If warranted, the item should have a guarantee or warranty. Buying locally means easy exchange if there's a problem, and help if the item needs repair or replacement on a large scale.

1-3 and 7-8 are the most important points for me.

I have my favourite shops where the service is simply fantastic, and the staff are experts in their field.

I have my favourite shops where the wish to help fix a problem cannot be faulted.

I have my favourite shops where the in-stock range is superb.

But when I buy online, it's for items I cannot obtain easily here, or for a FAIR price here (I don't even mean a price that's on parity with online overseas sellers - just a fair price), or cannot obtain AT ALL from here.  I believe there is room for both traditional shops and online shops - but I think traditional shops must up their game with customer service above all.

There is nothing more annoying in a shop than finding it manned entirely by 17-year-old gum-chewing uninterested unhelpful unknowing staff members. I'm sure the shop is saving a lot of money on reasonable pay for informed and experienced staff members out of their teens, but in the end, the shop is the loser.
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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2011, 02:08:23 PM »
I hate disapprove of the term B & M or bricks and mortar to describe a real shop
I also hate disapprove of the term real life when refering to offline activities
but then again I disapprove of a lot of online and text lingo 

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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2011, 02:36:18 PM »
If I use the term "real shop", it annoys some people who disapprove of that, thinking it implies an online shop isn't a real shop! But I understand what you mean - just not sure there's a better way of expressing it.
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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2011, 02:51:19 PM »
I know its difficult isnt it ... but I had a real shop that was of wood and iron constuction , so I guess that doesnt count ?
on the real life thing ... am I correct in assuming that if people socialise on a forum and thats not classed as real life then that people whom work in IT dont have a real job ?
anyhow sorry to have taken your thread off track maybe I should have started a discussion on terminology as a different thread


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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 03:00:16 PM »
It IS a good topic, the whole question of "rl" and online life and so on... so much so that it's worth creating another topic about it. Not a problem about diverting this thread, though.  :mates:
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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 03:02:29 PM »
that people whom work in IT dont have a real job ?

My boss believe I don't have a real job. He doesn't understand IT.

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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2011, 03:09:03 PM »
I dont understand it either Low , but I do know its an important job in todays world ( I dont neccessarily think everything they do in the job is important or neccessary but overall the job is important in this era )  and I think I would be insulting people in the industry if I suggested it wasnt a real job  ...yet it seems ok for people to suggest that online interaction with people isnt part of real life sure there may be some things that are more important to some people but it doesnt mean its not real IMO

I guess on that basis of real then people whom live in remote areas and do schooling via a two way radio dont have a real education then ?

The royal flying doctor service whom treat people over the phone or via two way or internet arent real doctors ?
preachers whom conduct sermons over the internet arent real preachers ...
any news that we watch on tv , hear on the radio or read in the newspapers isnt real news its only real if we see it happen first hand etc etc etc

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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2011, 03:33:30 PM »
I dont understand it either Low

As I am getting older, I started to get confuse what IT actually is.

I don't go to physical coin shop to buy coin, they are run by un-real people who think I am a joker. I buy coins online and when those coins arrive, I know it is for real.

Online interaction with people can be a very real life experience, and face-to-face interaction can be very un-real (sorry not sure if you understand what I want to say).

I don't support the idea of helping local small retail shop without an online presence. What a waste of human resource if the shop employs the best people who can answer every question in their niche but nobody in the area ever enter the shop and suffer to survive? Why not expand and maximize the "influence" in online world? Or does online presence reduce the perceived value of a specialist shop?

I don't understand.

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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2011, 04:28:24 PM »
ok so getting back to service from shops
lets take a quick look at petrol stations
remember when you used to pull into a servo and anattendant whould come to your window and ask how much and you would say something like $20 worth please or fillerupmate! and whilst it was filling up they might wash your windscreen and/or check your oil etc ...doesnt happen anymore except possibly in a small country service station where the man that owns the store runs the store ...
So why did they stop that service ??? to cut costs and thus keep the price down perhaps ...but as a result they now have lots more drive offs with numerous servos claiming they lose 100's of dollars a day in drive offs ...if they had attendants this wouldnt happen and the hundreds they lose would go a long way to paying the attendants ...also the prices fluctuate so much between individual servos and individual days has it kept the prices down ??? also by making you self serve you now must enter the shop so they have more chance of flogging a mars bar or a can of coke or smacket of pokes or something ???
one of the down sides of self service is that the bowsers are blocked until the customer has been in and paid and got back to the car , very frustrating for customers waiting in a queue for a vacant bowser ... serviced bowsers keeps the customer traffic flowing
So my point/question  is would you pay a premium at the bowser to be served either by way of a  extra few cents per litre or a flat fee of say $2 per customer if a servo provided the service and advertised the cost factor ?
maybe servos could have some self serve lanes and some serviced lanes with the price being greater in the serviced lanes I dont know ? but I think some people would use the service for the convenience of not having to get out of the car and some people dont like smelling of fuel for the rest of the day either whatever the reason is I think some would happily use the service ...just like some people happily pay $2 a transaction to use say an ANZ atm when their bank a/c is with the NAB but it would mean driving another km to a NAB atm , people pay for convenience and/or their laziness

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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2011, 04:33:29 PM »
This is worth a read, especially the comments that follow the article.

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/01/04/gerry-harvey-might-be-a-fat-cat-billionaire-but-he-has-a-point/

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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2011, 05:49:00 PM »
This is worth a read, especially the comments that follow the article.

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/01/04/gerry-harvey-might-be-a-fat-cat-billionaire-but-he-has-a-point/

Ah, yes... those comments are following the same line of thought that I have expressed before... If the difference in pricing was comparable to the 10% GST, then who would bother taking the added risk in going off-shore?

My last purchase cost me $3.04 delivered from Asia. The SAME imported product is available from an Australian supplier for over $9.00 with postage.

If Gerry wants the government to get the GST on it, I'd be quite happy to give him the 30 cents, so it could be passed on to them.

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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2011, 07:35:55 AM »
The term "real life" first appeared a longlonglong time ago, I saw it's first appearances and development so to speak, it was a term coined to differentiate quite innocently between online friends and "RL or real life friends" so that when talking to online friends one would say something like... "I'm going to go hang out with my RL's for a while.. ttyl" it was merely a shortcut letting others know you were leaving to attend to physically present friends as opposed to talking to other "Cyber friends" elsewhere  and thus warded off the 'is he/she in my guild/forum/online club or someone you know physically?) type explanations.

Since then anything not online is often referred to as RL, it truly only was a way to tell in a conversation if the  (store, place, person etc) was a physical or internet location, person or object, however it has gone a little viral often people misunderstand its connotations as they feel it in some way implies that the use of the term or Accronym RL in regards to shops/people etc is slightly derogatory or dimminishes the "realness" when this is not true. I personally don't use it often at all but have done on rare occasion to make a point or explain quickly.

Regarding the Online and physical store/gst issue, Retailers are terrified that their bottom line is going to suffer and the CEO's are scrambling to claw at the $$$ they fear they may lose...funny thing is they WILL lose it anyway if they do not lift their game. Even if GST applied to online purchases the online items would STILL be cheaper than buying from traditional stores currently. The massive markdown trends we are now seeing goes to show just how much they were marking UP! they are still making a profit, the Ceo's may have to forgoe the gold plated back scratchers though.

I find going into most stores an appalling experience these days, I LOATHE going into a store and either being ignored by some Ass on the phone with no acknowledgement whatsoever that you are standing there staring at them from 2 feet away for 10 minutes, or some dimwit that shrugs and says "idunno" with a vacant expression, or some evil tempered harpy that snaps and snarls..... and thats IF and its a BIG if.. you can find an assistant at all (Bunnings/K-Mart/Big W all spring to mind to name a few), skeleton staff indeed, I find the skeletons of customers that got lost searching for assistance in large stores curled up around the bases of clothing racks all the time LOL

Customer service used to be tantamount now its an afterthought,retail knowledge was a must, now it's optional.....Conduct was imperative, now its *whatever*.

Jerry Harvey and other of his ilk need to pull their head out of their collective A$$, bring their severely overinflated prices (like most Australian stores these days) back down to earth, cut that 100%- 300% markup off at the knees and hire some visible staff with manners knowledge and people skills.

I was in a store the other day looking for a specific item in Toys R Us, I asked the woman at the front desk if they had any of the items on sale in the catelogue elsewhere as there were none on the shelf (it was 9am on the first day of the catelogue sale) "I dunno *shrug* lemme call someone" she headed to the phone and got sidetracked by another assistant, they then began chatting about the weekend that had just passed.... my foot began to tap, yep from all appearances I was forgotten.

I endured 5 full minutes of their weekend chat then said "Excuse me miss, you were going to make a call" she looked at me with a puzzled expression, then the light bulb came on over her head "Oh yeah right! sorry!" She made a call and the Assistant manager slowly lumbered over 10 minutes later (said so on his badge lol), I then repeated the same thing.. he scratched his head and said "lemme check" tapped a few keys on a keyboard, peered at a monitor, the origional assistant came and peered with him, what seemed like an eternity later he then said over his sholder, "Nahh none left love, all sold" I looked at him and said incrediously "All sold 30 minutes after your store opened on the first day of a sale??" ......"yeah looks like we only got 6 in".. "But"... I said, "the sale goes for 7 days!!, it's actually illegal to have a sale on items you dont have with no 'while stocks last' disclaimer"... "yeah I know *shrug* sorry love..it's all head office sent us" he then turned on his heel and walked off..

No.... I'll check at another store for you... no.... I am terribly sorry you can do a raincheck.... no apology...nothing but the back of his head as he trundled off to the office..... I was livid.

I ended up asking for and speaking to the Manager in charge of the entire store,  he too was wishywashy and seemed a little cranky, I again pointed out the illegality of his "sale" and while i understood all directives come from "head office" and were not his personal decision it was still illegal, I then politely insisted he attempt to find one in another store and have it delivered to the store we were standing in as they had done so before.

End result.... he was on the phone less than 5 minutes he had found one in castle hill and it would be at the local store late tomorrow afternoon..I thanked him very much for his time and effort and left the store frustrated/annoyed and wondering why it was all so bloody hard, the whole scenariotook 30 + minutes... arghhh.

Oh and do NOT get me started on stores that insist when you arrive with laden arms at the checkout that you ...BUY a bag...., petty maybe.. but it REALLY angers me, when I spend money buying items at overinflated prices in a store and they cannot supply a bag..

I just tell them politely with a smile that no I will not be buying a bag, but when I trip and fall because my arms were full of items that are slipping and sliding all over the place, I will be sure to SUE... they always hand me a bag for nothing.. funny that LOL
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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2011, 11:12:56 AM »
Good quality Pluto Pups, served with a smile & while they are at it a nice icy cold can of Pepsi Max.

As good as internet shopping is, it can't beat the B&M Pluto Pup.

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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2011, 01:58:12 PM »
Liisa, absolutely right - the big chain stores seem to have been leaking common sense internally for some time, as their staff members (WHEN visible) don't realise it is their job to ask a customer who is standing there, looking aimless, "Can I help you with anything?" (And that's the bare MINIMUM of customer service. If a customer says, "Yes, I'm looking for (something)", the staff member should be able to HELP.)

With many smaller shops, it's completely different. Even with my local ABC shop, the service is tremendous. They know me by name, suggest items for me, etc.

The local "House" shop has staff who know what they're talking about, and who are courteous and helpful. The local "General Trader" - almost ditto. (While the staff aren't as quick to offer help, when asked they are quick to assist.) Thomas' (the music shop) used to be FANTASTIC... not as good now, but then the head salesman was one of a kind. Discurio - not bad at all. My local JB Hi-Fi - it depends on the staff member, but if one gently persists, the right staff member for the question is obtained. The range of classical CDs in JB Hi-Fi is now useless, though... particularly for the sort of CD buyer I am.

Myer is indeed PATHETIC with customer service now. I wanted to buy some Sheridan bedlinen recently; no staff around to show me the range or talk me through the difference in quality or show me where the required size was. I persisted and found what I wanted (but it took me between 20-30 minutes), and then there were no staff at the payment counter. Another customer and I waited for 2-3 minutes, then we mutually rolled our eyes and went on a hunt for a manned payment counter. Another 5 minutes... It's not that the staff that ARE there aren't polite and friendly when accepting payment - they are - but there are NOT ENOUGH STAFF THERE to actually assist customers, and there aren't staff members sufficiently trained in their own departments. Had I not really wanted that bedlinen immediately, I would have walked out sans bedlinen.

Small specialist bookshops - love them. I love browsing through old books, new books, books, books, books. There are several fantastic bookshops in Melbourne - we are very lucky with our small bookshops (non-chainstore). The owners love books and know their stuff.

The smaller specialist shops have not forgotten customer service, something which the large shops need to re-learn.
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Re: What sort of service do you look for in a b&m shop?
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2011, 11:52:45 PM »
"A smile is worth a thousand words" and having enough, well trained staff to give assistance to customers sums up what I expect when I am purchasing goods from any shop.

The manner in which staff is treated by management personnel often shows in the attitude of the staff towards customers with whom they are dealing. Unhappy/unhelpful staff = dissatisfied customers.
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