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Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« on: May 06, 2011, 03:07:45 PM »
I'm voting 'Yes' - on this scenario:

 1. Buyer wins auction, requests postage figure (listing was not set up properly for this)
 2. After a couple of other communications, still no final figure to pay.
 3. Two weeks after end of auction, seller sends a message: "Sorry but going to have to cancel this order as I can't get any <item> for another 2-3 weeks. I'm being stuffed around."

Thoughts, anyone?



P.S. - My need for the item isn't urgent, so I sent this reply: "I'm not in any great hurry.  Do not cancel the transaction - I will wait."

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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2011, 03:51:07 PM »
Seller is either crook or fool.

1. Why list something you don't have?

2. Might have item but not happy with price received.

I would neg the seller on principle. You're the one getting stuffed around.  >:(
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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2011, 05:39:06 PM »

1. Why list something you don't have?


Always a good question

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2. Might have item but not happy with price received.


The photo looks like it's an original 'snapshot' rather than a manufacturer's or distributor's catalogue photo - which indicates to me that they at least had access to the product.  The price could well be a problem for them. This particular product can come in varying quality - from cheap domestic to industrial.  I bid conservatively with this in mind, but quietly hoped I might be pleasantly surprised if I won. From what I have been able to glean, my guess is that the item sold for something under 25% of RRP (from a decidedly NON discount outlet).  There are still some unknowns which could affect the numbers, but on the face of it, I don't think the seller would be too thrilled with this outcome.  He also took a risk by starting at 99 cents.

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I would neg the seller on principle. You're the one getting stuffed around.  >:(


Don't worry - the finger is poised, but if he does come good, I will assess the transaction overall and leave appropriate feedback.

As I said, I am not in a hurry and would prefer to get the item I won fair-and-square.

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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2011, 05:49:06 PM »
I told you all to stay OFF eBay,
but you won't listen.

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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2011, 05:54:52 PM »
The interesting thing is, that this seller said they had quite a few of these to sell - this was the first listing of one.

I have seen a trend in the past that this seller should be made aware of......

When a seller has a number of items that have appeal to a comparatively smaller market, the first couple of times they are listed, the bulk of the potential buyers haven't found them yet - so initial bids and sales are low.  This is also a reflection on a seller not having a 'track record' on the sale of this item.  In this case, feedback on the quality of the item from another buyer would have helped me (and others) take more of an active interest - or walk away.

Once a couple of sales have been made and feedback left, buyers have a bit more to go on - and if the initial prices are low, they could really be enthusiastic at 'having a go'.  I have seen this myself - wondering about a product when it first appears and sells cheaply - then when I finally get the confidence to jump in, so have a dozen others!!  The end result is that I usually get topped out at a price significantly higher than those first sales.

But if the seller pulls the plug too soon - they will never know....

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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2011, 05:57:59 PM »
To quote somebody:

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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2011, 06:06:38 PM »
OH! So we're getting all...'serious' about this now......

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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2011, 09:47:08 PM »

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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2011, 08:44:11 AM »
I am getting sick of "feedback"

it is meaningless and just gives kook buyers and avenue to vent

I say get rid of it all together

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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2011, 04:07:56 PM »
Unfortunately, BNWT, I understand where you are coming from - but I still try to make feedback appropriate to the transaction.

If I come across negs on a Seller that appear to be out of character, I check out the feedback surrounding the BUYER.  This usually gives me a good idea if they are a kook.



Unfortunately, eBay is hardly interested in such analysis, let alone factoring the 'kook buyer' element into protecting Sellers.


Since eBay has allowed ANYBODY to sell, feedback is still useful in assessing risk, IMO.  Admittedly, there are holes ... large holes ... but it does offer some decision making support.

Personally, I would welcome the re-introduction of Negs and Neuts from Sellers.  I have always found it much easier to pick some of the less than desirable sellers by the way they post negs. Some just can't help themselves ... and fire several shots into their own feet.  The way it is now, these sellers are protected from themselves - and it makes the job of assessing a seller that much harder.

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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2011, 06:01:49 PM »
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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2011, 09:40:00 AM »
To answer your question, Brumby - yes, the seller hasn't actually performed his/her side of the bargain, and thus the buyer is prevented from paying. In that case, negative feedback would be fair.

The seller's done the wrong thing on several fronts.

   1. By all accounts, it seems he's dropshipping without having stated in the listing that he was dropshipping. Not only is this unfair to the buyer, it's an eBay policy violation.
   2. He's appallingly bad at communicating. The buyer deserved to be informed of the purchase status rather th an left hanging without replies.
   3. He's treating eBay purchases as "orders". He is heading into seller non-performance territory on a bomb-rigged bus.
   4. He is trying to off-load the blame onto someone else - his supplier? - by saying "I'm being stuffed around."
       This is not responsible seller behaviour. It's not only not acceptable on eBay, but if a seller in a shop communicated & behaved like that, he'd not win any customers.

Like BNWT, feedback appears largely meaningless to me - and it does indeed give complete knot-headed numpties the opportunity to hand out silly or nasty comments willy-nilly. There's no responsibility taken for one's words and the feedback given. It is completely unlike real-life situations and any sort of real-life shop transaction.

In real life, if a customer behaves like a twit or a criminal, they can be escorted from the premises. If the customer tries to bargain for discounts at the counter on the basis of not being happy with the range of goods in the shop, or not happy with the shop location, or not happy with the colour of the lighting in the shop, or not happy with the total price, or not happy with the hairdo worn by the staff member - and threatens to bad-mouth the shop if a discount isn't given, or to spraypaint graffiti on the shop stating, "Liar! Book not as described - NOT funny and I DIDN'T laugh until I was sick. REFUSED to give refund! Bad seller! Avoid, avoid!" - well, the shop staff would have the option of

  a) trying to calm down and soothe the customer, and proceeding with the sale (no discount given, though, of course!);
  b) telling the customer to leave the premises and refusing to sell to such an unstable individual;
  c) calling the police on the basis of a threat to commit criminal damage having been made.

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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2011, 03:27:56 PM »
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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2011, 03:34:04 PM »
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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2011, 03:43:31 PM »
Not at all.

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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2011, 06:23:01 PM »
I go pick up my pizzas....

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Re: Can a Neg on a Seller be fair - if the buyer hasn't paid?
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