Pre-aftermath interlude:
WE'RE DOOMED
We now return you to your regular aftermath.
Candidate Party Votes % Swing (%)
OAKESHOTT, Robert Independent 40,066 47.15 +47.15
LIPS, Frederik Labor 11,457 13.48 -18.50
GILLESPIE, David The Nationals 29,216 34.38 -15.75
WRIGHT, Barry Independent 586 0.69 -0.50
OXENFORD, Ian The Greens 3,645 4.29 -2.75 elantra - you inspire me stay one more daywell, the "Filter" will not worry me, I do not go to the kinds of sites that they are talking about blocking.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/07/would-you-vote-for-a-political-party-that-supports-the-internet-filter/ (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/07/would-you-vote-for-a-political-party-that-supports-the-internet-filter/)
;D
LABOR WINso elantra
The final Tally.
Australian Labor Party 76 seats
Liberal / National Party 74 seats
Labor 150 4,687,724 38.0
Liberal 109 3,756,296 30.4
Greens 150 1,449,809 11.7
LNP 30 1,129,433 9.2
http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/parties.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/parties.htm)LABOR WINso elantra
The final Tally.
Australian Labor Party 76 seats
Liberal / National Party 74 seats
Labor 150 4,687,724 38.0
Liberal 109 3,756,296 30.4
Greens 150 1,449,809 11.7
LNP 30 1,129,433 9.2
do I read this right - if i was to combine voters?
labor/green coalition - 6,137,533 votes
liberal/national coalition - 4,885,729 votes
http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/parties.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/parties.htm)LABOR WINso elantra
The final Tally.
Australian Labor Party 76 seats
Liberal / National Party 74 seats
Labor 150 4,687,724 38.0
Liberal 109 3,756,296 30.4
Greens 150 1,449,809 11.7
LNP 30 1,129,433 9.2
do I read this right - if i was to combine voters?
labor/green coalition - 6,137,533 votes
liberal/national coalition - 4,885,729 votes
Please check for yourslf.
http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/parties.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/parties.htm)LABOR WINso elantra
The final Tally.
Australian Labor Party 76 seats
Liberal / National Party 74 seats
Labor 150 4,687,724 38.0
Liberal 109 3,756,296 30.4
Greens 150 1,449,809 11.7
LNP 30 1,129,433 9.2
do I read this right - if i was to combine voters?
labor/green coalition - 6,137,533 votes
liberal/national coalition - 4,885,729 votes
Please check for yourslf.
actual votes
Labor - 37.7 %
Coalition - 44.8 %
Nothing else matters including those gutless independant jerks. Don't even mention a Green or the Barret will be bought out
;D
well, the "Filter" will not worry me, I do not go to the kinds of sites that they are talking about blocking.
I am, I think, happy with the results. It looks like regional Australia will be a big winner.
Regarding the NBN - I am so happy that this will go through, you see I am very unhappy with the internet service in this area. And over the moon that we will be one of the first to get NBN.
I also hope that this is a big wake up call for both major parties - they offered us nothing much during the election period - we are sick of negative election campaigns. We are sick of our politicians sticking to the party lines instead of looking after their electorates.
I think we are in for interesting times
well
at the end of the day
they will ALL get big fat cosy pensions - the likes of which we will never see!!!
MM .... Mandurah already has it http://broadbandguide.com.au/mandurah
your provider may not do it but its there if they want to pay to access it
Good! then it stays in the ground a bit longer. if they want it, they should pay for it.
Good! then it stays in the ground a bit longer. if they want it, they should pay for it.
I'm talking about tax, the same as every other business has to pay.
Good! then it stays in the ground a bit longer. if they want it, they should pay for it.
But...what happens if they hold out just long enough until the prices drop because the demand isn't there?
yes smee - I am aware of that. And she is actually quite successful. Still wouldn't let my son drag home something like that!!
;D
nice family connections too I believe
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2010/08/16/1225905/977998-staci-child.jpg)
Full story here
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/julia-gillards-stepdaughter-believed-to-have-posed-for-zoo-magazine-shoot/story-e6frf96o-1225916495748
Plenty of wimmin in the Gaming world Wysie... ya make your own..
where or how do you do that Robbie. Shows how computer illiterate I am.
PS - nice bikine - that purple one I mean
;D
EUREKA! Look what I've found! This explains how our politicians have been playing with TBT! (a bluddy poison.) Next time you hear of a pollie being described as a dikchead... you'll know why!
This is happening off Fremantle in WA!
Exposure to chemical TBT causes female snails to grow penises on heads
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/exposure-to-chemical-tbt-causes-female-snails-to-grow-penises-on-heads/story-fn3dxity-1225917590101 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/exposure-to-chemical-tbt-causes-female-snails-to-grow-penises-on-heads/story-fn3dxity-1225917590101)
And you heard it on OZRT first!
lol smee - I had the same arrangement but sadly he has not shown one iota of interest in the opposite sex. Or same for that matter !!
Seems to be the nerdish type and totally absorbed in games and computers etc.
Studies at uni and does games development ( don't tell yibs or ubbie ) and seems to be all males in that group.
Only chance to meet girls is when he goes to the take away - lol.
;D
Well hello Trala!!
I had a premonition that you would re-emerge, after all is said and done this forum is the best there is for debate on any issue don’t you agree?
The basis for the premonition was the fact that, true to the beliefs of the group that you support, you would tend to forget the undertaking that you have made. Point proven :)
Also I am guessing that by the comment LET JULIA ROOLYA you are keen to get a lively debate under way.
OK I'll bite, in my opinion,
LET JULIA ROOLYA equates to LET JOOLYA FOOLYA
JOOLYA may think by putting on an appearance that she is the hard and sharp nosed ROOLAH that JOOLYA has been convinced by her puppet masters that she is, she is going to FOOLYA all the way.
It won’t work because the collective awareness of her audience is by far above that of what the puppet masters have allowed for.
I sometimes wonder if JOOLYA is even aware of the strings attached to her restricting her mobility and jerking her every which way.
According to a revelation from her own mouth (at least it MAY have been from her own mouth) she is NOW the REAL JOOLYA and that could be about the closest she has come to uttering the truth.
The Reply came from Mr Rudd
Joolya you are just a dud
Ive removed the knife
and now you're in strife
your rule will end in a thud !
I have something very strange to report:
There is a Rob Oakeshott iPhone app.
That's quite right too shyer. My mum lives in his electoral area and advises that he has been subjected to a number of death threats. Probably explains why his website was brought down.death threats???
| Scenario | Trigger for making statement | Outcome |
| Two young brothers | One tips mud on the other | A chase around the back yard ending up in a mud wrestle |
| Father and son | Son calls dad to tell him he's crashed dad's car | Lots of shouting on the phone. Dad arrives on scene and gives son a hug saying "Thank God you're ok". Son grounded. |
| Sportsmen | Grand final pre-match psych-out | One wins. One doesn't |
| Politics | Stupidity, betrayal, etc. | Voter vents, feels better. Politician ignores. Life goes on. |
| Mugger to person | Intimidation | Possible (but rare) outcome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pcVDmX4ho4) |
I see Kev has moved on from Pakistan and is now in Washington .... where next ? a world tour perhaps ?
maybe he will find an excuse to go on the next NASA flight to the moon or somewhere ...I shudder to think how much he will rack up in travel expenses during this term of government ...the last 3 years was abysmal !
It's Kev's birthday tomorrow the 21st of September.
I didn't know what to get for him, so I just sent him a card with a $20 gift voucher from K-Mart
Happy birthday Kev!
When I look at the discrepancy between what I earn and what politicians earn (even when they've retired), I feel they should be giving ME birthday presents.
Lo! and Behold !! :)
Trala!! had been converted and seen the error of his/her ways, I wonder if it was the ingestion of crow that did the trick?
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Prime Minister Julia Gillard says she has been unable to reach agreement with the Coalition over constitutional questions about the position of Speaker in the new Parliament.
Ms Gillard accused Opposition Leader Tony Abbott of going back on his commitments on how the House of Representatives would be run in light of the election result that delivered a hung parliament.
"He intends to break his word," Ms Gillard told reporters in Canberra today.
Ms Gillard said the government would introduce more than 30 bills into Parliament during its first week, following its resumption on Tuesday.
"These bills cover a wide variety of areas; of course we will be releasing the full list of legislation to be introduced in the first week," she said.
The bills, to go to both the House of Representatives and the Senate, cover national hospital standards, universities, a national health prevention agency, increased penalties for aviation security breaches and giving more power to the Australian Crime Commission to fight organised crime.
The debate centres on different interpretations of what the constitution allows in relation to pairing the Speaker with a member of the opposition when votes occur in the chamber.
Solicitor-General Stephen Gageler has advised the government there is no "necessary constitutional impediment" to the Speaker being paired with a member of the opposing party provided the arrangement is voluntary.
But the opposition argues that pairing would allow the Speaker a deliberative vote, something prohibited by the constitution.
"I have literally minutes ago put the phone down from a telephone discussion with the Leader of the Opposition, Tony Abbott," Ms Gillard said.
"He has said to me in that telephone conversation that he and the opposition will not abide by the parliamentary reform agreement that they signed."
Mr Abbott said the Coalition would not accept proposed arrangements for the pairing of the parliamentary Speaker because it was constitutionally unsound.
Mr Abbott said he had based his decision on the views of Mr Gageler.
"From a close reading of the Solicitor-General's opinion, the only basis on which the Speaker can be paired is an informal arrangement," he told reporters.
"The Coalition cannot accept the proposed arrangement for the pairing of the Speaker because, after careful consideration of the matter, we believe that it is constitutionally unsound."
Mr Abbott said legislation was too important to be based "on an informal arrangement".
"Now, I very much regret that the parliamentary reform agreement in this respect, and in this respect only, cannot be supported, because I think that parliamentary reform is very important. But you cannot agree to do something which is in breach of the constitution," he said.
In a letter to Ms Gillard dated August 30, Mr Abbott said he recommended former cerk of the house, Ian Harris, chair a Parliamentary Reform Committee.
"The Prime Minister rejected this proposal," he said.
"If Mr Harris had been guiding the process, it is absolutely crystal clear that the problem would never have arisen."
"The speaker does not have a deliberative vote, under the constitution the speaker only has a casting vote," he told ABC Radio on Thursday.
Earlier this month, Labor, the coalition and Mr Oakeshott agreed to a series of parliamentary reforms, including 'pairing' the speaker for votes - meaning whichever party they belonged to wouldn't lose a vote when divisions were called.
But Mr Pyne said pairing was only relevant for the deputy speaker and others that occupied the chair.
"The issue of pairing only comes up with the deputy speaker and other members of the speakers panel, all of whom have a deliberative vote," he said.
"There is no other possible reading of the agreement if you read it in conjunction with the constitution of the country."
But on Mr Brandis's legal opinion, the shadow cabinet resolved yesterday not to pair the speaker. If this position remains unchanged, the government would have to reappoint the Labor incumbent, Harry Jenkins, as the non-voting speaker and have its 76-74 majority reduced to 75-74.
Consequently, only one MP would have to change sides for the government to lose in the House on a motion or piece of legislation, creating an even more volatile Parliament and unstable minority government.
The shadow cabinet made its decision before Mr Abbott received the Solicitor-General's advice. ''Our position is we won't agree to pair the speaker,'' a Coalition source said.
The 20-page advice from the Solicitor-General cleared the way for the speaker to be paired by way of informal or voluntary agreement between the government and opposition.
''In my opinion, no arrangement for the 'pairing' of another member of the House … with the speaker could give to the speaker a deliberative vote, nor could it deprive the speaker of a casting vote,'' the advice says.
''Adherence to the arrangement by the other member could only be voluntary.
''If those constraints are observed, I consider there to be no necessary constitutional impediment to a pairing arrangement between the speaker … and another member and another member from an opposing political party if that arrangement has a fixed operation irrespective of any particular vote.''
Senator Brandis's opinion states that appointing a non-voting opposition deputy speaker to compensate for the speaker not voting would violate Section 40 and be subject to a High Court challenge.
An informal arrangement, as approved by the Solicitor-General, would still be a violation, he said.
Senator Brandis later told the Herald the Coalition was unlikely to be swayed by the Solicitor-General's advice. Senator Brandis said if pairing the speaker was unlawful if enforced by a motion or change to the standing orders, then ''no self-respecting lawyer'' would advocate an informal agreement to circumvent this concern.
The manager of opposition business, Christopher Pyne, told the Herald on Tuesday the Coalition would be guided by the Solicitor-General's advice.
A senior government source warned that unless the Coalition agreed to honour the deal it made to pair the speaker, there would be a campaign of payback.
Lo! and Behold !! :)
Trala!! had been converted and seen the error of his/her ways, I wonder if it was the ingestion of crow that did the trick?
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Funny is funny.
Anyway, you should be eating the crow,
to which I must admit you did a very good job of dishing it up.
So it must be a dish you are very famillar with!!!
QuoteBut on Mr Brandis's legal opinion, the shadow cabinet resolved yesterday not to pair the speaker. If this position remains unchanged, the government would have to reappoint the Labor incumbent, Harry Jenkins, as the non-voting speaker and have its 76-74 majority reduced to 75-74.
Consequently, only one MP would have to change sides for the government to lose in the House on a motion or piece of legislation, creating an even more volatile Parliament and unstable minority government.
The shadow cabinet made its decision before Mr Abbott received the Solicitor-General's advice. ''Our position is we won't agree to pair the speaker,'' a Coalition source said.
The 20-page advice from the Solicitor-General cleared the way for the speaker to be paired by way of informal or voluntary agreement between the government and opposition.
''In my opinion, no arrangement for the 'pairing' of another member of the House … with the speaker could give to the speaker a deliberative vote, nor could it deprive the speaker of a casting vote,'' the advice says.
''Adherence to the arrangement by the other member could only be voluntary.
''If those constraints are observed, I consider there to be no necessary constitutional impediment to a pairing arrangement between the speaker … and another member and another member from an opposing political party if that arrangement has a fixed operation irrespective of any particular vote.''
Senator Brandis's opinion states that appointing a non-voting opposition deputy speaker to compensate for the speaker not voting would violate Section 40 and be subject to a High Court challenge.
An informal arrangement, as approved by the Solicitor-General, would still be a violation, he said.
Senator Brandis later told the Herald the Coalition was unlikely to be swayed by the Solicitor-General's advice. Senator Brandis said if pairing the speaker was unlawful if enforced by a motion or change to the standing orders, then ''no self-respecting lawyer'' would advocate an informal agreement to circumvent this concern.
The manager of opposition business, Christopher Pyne, told the Herald on Tuesday the Coalition would be guided by the Solicitor-General's advice.
A senior government source warned that unless the Coalition agreed to honour the deal it made to pair the speaker, there would be a campaign of payback.
(Bolding mine.)
And this - THIS is a major concern.
The Gillard government would be placed in a slightly more precarious position if Oakeshott cannot have his vote and eat it (be Speaker AND have a casting vote), so my feeling is (and I may be wrong; feel free to convince me) that they will throw whatever mud they can at the Opposition and seek by any means possible - EVEN IF IT MEANS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION - to achieve the goal of an Oakeshott-fed Speaker position engorged with power and heady voteability.
If I am wrong about my perception of this, I will readily apologise.
Maybe she should have said.
"Parliamentarians & all Australians should ask not 'is this in my party's interest?' but 'is this in my nation's interest?'"
40 Voting in House of Representatives
Questions arising in the House of Representatives shall be determined by a majority of votes other than that of the Speaker. The Speaker shall not vote unless the numbers are equal, and then he shall have a casting vote.
I was the one to predict a Labour Government, okay I did saywould win by seven seats, was 5 off but, there is a Labor Gov!!Lo! and Behold !! :)
Trala!! had been converted and seen the error of his/her ways, I wonder if it was the ingestion of crow that did the trick?
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Funny is funny.
I agree - but the piece you posted portrays Tony Abbott as a thinking person and is derisive of Labor party members - particularly Julia Gillard.
Did you really get, "Tony Abbott as a thinking person" FROM THAT? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Hello, it's a joke Joyce!!
Although,,,, I have just found out why you liberal voters believe in Tony Abbott ,, you can't tell the difference between a joke & what you think Tony Abbott is!!!!
But take heart,, I can't tell the difference between a joke & Tony Abbott either!!
This seems somewhat opposite to your previously indicated views ... that were stated with some conviction.Quote
Anyway, you should be eating the crow,
to which I must admit you did a very good job of dishing it up.
So it must be a dish you are very famillar with!!!
I am also curious as to why you think Poddy should eat crow?
But for how long Trala!!?
Care to predict ? ;)
I was the one to predict a Labour Government, okay I did saywould win by seven seats, was 5 off but, there is a Labor Gov!!
Trala!!
Care to participate in a little wager?
What about $100? The loser donates that amount to Wokkies Marysville rebuilding fund.
Are you game ? :)
So long as you accept the fact that Julia didn't win it.Were you ssying this a month ago?
Now aint that the truth!
ANNA BLIGH FOR PM!
Either one is correct, Lacey - but the LED is the newer technology.
Yib picked himself up a Plasma TV (the first plat panel screen technology) - but it was60"63" !!!
(Mind you, there are those who prefer them to the LCD and LED screens)
I is on my best behaviour. I am sure that TRALAA!! would know that we disagreed, but not on a personal level :):saint: :saint: :saint: :saint:
What say you TRALAA!! ?
The things one does to hold the reins.
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The things one does to hold the reins.
Those holding the reins haven't done much - but I think the bridle is probably annoying Julia.... :D
Now there is another Election :)
How do you think Krissie will go on Saturday?
C'mon guys stop with the air brushing ... your making her more attractive than in real life...
you "want" her dont you Yibster
you "want" her dont you Yibster
I would rather have a Colonoscopy done by a blind one armed shrimp farmer with a nervous twitch ....
- I was curious about a mind that could come up with such a curious turn of phrase.......
I mean - who thinks that way?
Vote 1..... TELLO :angel:
Vote 1..... TELLO :angel:
You know something?
I've been a nice guy and stayed out of this.
And now I see a reason to chime in....
I'm still staying out of this.
Don't test me...
current results for the 2 questions asked in a Herald Sun poll as at 3pm
Results: Gillard vs Rudd
Who should be Labor leader?
Julia Gillard 17.28% (1426 votes)
Kevin Rudd 82.72% (6827 votes)
Total votes: 8253
Results: PM's future
Is it time for Julia Gillard to resign?
Yes 91.57% (31388 votes)
No 8.43% (2890 votes)
Total votes: 34278
Yep , she was an excellent choice for PM wasnt she ?
It appears that we may see the return of one Kevin Rudd! So.... the play had an intermission.
I can only laugh .
Hope you don't mind waiting for my thoughts.
I'll wait until it's over.
Thats a poor cop out from one who so strongly went into bat for Julia
So at least say what youare laughing at ... Kev , her or us who predicted that this farcical govt couldnt survive ?
So is this the begining of the last week of Jula being PM ?A big NAH!
I did what Mr Rudd told me to do, I rung my local member & told him I wanted him to support Ms Gillard.
He said he will be doing that anyway & he will thank K.Rudd (if he gets the chance) for the idea.
Gee I think I must have heard a different speech from the one that you are talking about.
I found it rather inspiring & uplifting.
"Parliamentarians should ask not 'is this in my party's interest?' but 'is this in my nation's interest?',"
Maybe she should have said.
"Parliamentarians & all Australians should ask not 'is this in my party's interest?' but 'is this in my nation's interest?'"
"Ms Gillard said she understood Mr Abbott's approach.
'And I appreciate it's a strong temptation for a leader of the opposition who came so closely to victory,' she said.
'But I think there'll be a lot of disappointment in our community if that easy option is taken.'
She is correct in that.
She knows he is a misogynist & can't stand the thought that he was beaten by a Woman
"Ms Gillard likened the National Broadband Network (NBN) to the post-World War II plan to build the Snowy Mountains Hydro Scheme 'which, like the NBN, in its time was also decried and attacked by the Liberal Party'."
Yes she is on this Planet, She wants to bring the Australian people together as one.
Can we do whats best for the Nation? Nah, no way!
poddyTrala!!
Care to participate in a little wager?
What about $100? The loser donates that amount to Wokkies Marysville rebuilding fund.
Are you game ? :)
More than game.
But I only donate to the RSPCA where I do volunteer work.
So if thats suitable.
But what is Wokkies Marysville rebuilding fund??
Gee I think I must have heard a different speech from the one that you are talking about.
I found it rather inspiring & uplifting.
"Parliamentarians should ask not 'is this in my party's interest?' but 'is this in my nation's interest?',"
Maybe she should have said.
"Parliamentarians & all Australians should ask not 'is this in my party's interest?' but 'is this in my nation's interest?'"
"Ms Gillard said she understood Mr Abbott's approach.
'And I appreciate it's a strong temptation for a leader of the opposition who came so closely to victory,' she said.
'But I think there'll be a lot of disappointment in our community if that easy option is taken.'
She is correct in that.
She knows he is a misogynist & can't stand the thought that he was beaten by a Woman
"Ms Gillard likened the National Broadband Network (NBN) to the post-World War II plan to build the Snowy Mountains Hydro Scheme 'which, like the NBN, in its time was also decried and attacked by the Liberal Party'."
Yes she is on this Planet, She wants to bring the Australian people together as one.
Can we do whats best for the Nation? Nah, no way!
WOW,, two years ago I wrote that.
How does that old saying go?... The more things change, the more they stay the same.
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3611115.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3611115.htm)
I particularly like this, "When you have the likes of Michelle Grattan, Peter Hartcher, Peter van Onselen, Jennifer Hewett, Geoff Kitney, Phillip Coorey, and Dennis Shanahan all spouting essentially the same line in attacking the Prime Minister - a line at odds with the many people's own interpretation of events - people wonder what the point of such journalism is.
"
Easier being a sheep & following along with the mob then it is to write a balanced story.