Author Topic: Second Chance Offer... is it legitimate? (Read 38078 times)

Bellagina · « **on:** April 26, 2009, 10:55:04 PM »

This is one of the topics that comes up fairly frequently on the old question board on eBay... so I thought I might start a thread / post a some information about the how tos of Second Chance Offers.

EBay states that if a second chance offer comes into your eBay message box, it can be considered a legitimate offer, I think you should still think carefully about the offer.

Is it an item that a seller is likely to have more than one of? For example, I sell Tupperware, so I often will have several of the same item.
However, there are some things that should always raise suspicion. For example, I bid on, and lost, and auction for a 2nd hand child's top. I received an offer from the seller within minutes, stating that they had another just like it. I suspect that they were shill bidding, unfortunately this happened early in my association with eBay, I wasn't aware of how to check this.

Would others care to add their knowledge to this?

col52 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 26, 2009, 10:58:49 PM »

ebay really killed the majority of second chance offers, I think. They spooked a lot of people by going on about fake offers too much.

stemschicky · « **Reply #2 on:** April 26, 2009, 11:01:55 PM »

I have had a few second chance offers offered to me, but I dont take them up......

I know that they are only asking for what my final bid was, but at the end of the day if I really wanted it I would have kept bidding.....

If I get outbid on something I tend to take my money and look for the next item that takes my fancy..

regulus* · « **Reply #3 on:** April 26, 2009, 11:19:03 PM »

I often accept second chance offers. Usually only from sellers I have bought from before.

Poison_Ivy · « **Reply #4 on:** April 26, 2009, 11:22:02 PM »

I have been offered second chance offers before, some I accept if it is something I really was after and some I don't.

As a seller I have offered them out when I have a duplicate and I usually put a message in with the sco stating that I have duplicate if they are interested.

With regards to the second hand top, it certainly could be a little dubious, but then it may not as some parents do buy more than one, but from my own experience doing that I usually buy a different colour in the same style. That could potentially look that way, but not necessarily be shonky. But yes it could have been a shiller.

IMO since ebay put it out that most second chance offers may not be geniune, I found buyers weren't taking them up so I stopped offering them. I theorised that it was so it would force us to create another auction or bin for the item, thus netting them more money in fees, just a theory.

llama · « **Reply #5 on:** April 26, 2009, 11:34:58 PM »

Quote

EBay states that if a second chance offer comes into your eBay message box, it can be considered a legitimate offer

That is not quite correct, but a good start.

A REAL second chance offer is a "Buy Now" listing that is only visible you yourself, and the price will be exactly the same as your maximum bid on the previous auction. It can also only be offered by the original seller.

col52 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 27, 2009, 10:30:44 AM »

Quote from: Poison_Ivy on April 26, 2009, 11:22:02 PM

I have been offered second chance offers before, some I accept if it is something I really was after and some I don't.

That's an interesting statement Ivy, amuses me a little (been cheeky now!

). If you weren't really interested, why did you bid in the first place?

don't

me.

Did647 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 27, 2009, 12:20:46 PM »

I've never had a genuine one. Should I feel neglected

*CountessA* · « **Reply #8 on:** April 27, 2009, 02:59:44 PM »

Didi, we can form a club of People Who Have Never Received A Second Chance Offer. I'm in the same boat - I've never received one!

Poison_Ivy · « **Reply #9 on:** April 27, 2009, 05:00:47 PM »

Quote from: col52 on April 27, 2009, 10:30:44 AM

Quote from: Poison_Ivy on April 26, 2009, 11:22:02 PM
I have been offered second chance offers before, some I accept if it is something I really was after and some I don't.

That's an interesting statement Ivy, amuses me a little (been cheeky now! ). If you weren't really interested, why did you bid in the first place? don't me.

Well Col (tis not a cheeky question, and I only slap if you ask nicely

) I never bid on anything unless I am interested, the reason I don't automatically accept a second chance offer is usually as once I am outbid I will attempt to locate it from another seller and maybe bidding on another or found a BIN for that item.

col52 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 27, 2009, 08:49:17 PM »

Quote from: Didi647 on April 27, 2009, 12:20:46 PM

I've never had a genuine one. Should I feel neglected

I'll send you one if you like

col52 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 27, 2009, 08:51:17 PM »

Quote from: Poison_Ivy on April 27, 2009, 05:00:47 PM

Quote from: col52 on April 27, 2009, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: Poison_Ivy on April 26, 2009, 11:22:02 PM
I have been offered second chance offers before, some I accept if it is something I really was after and some I don't.

That's an interesting statement Ivy, amuses me a little (been cheeky now! ). If you weren't really interested, why did you bid in the first place? don't me.

Well Col (tis not a cheeky question, and I only slap if you ask nicely ) I never bid on anything unless I am interested, the reason I don't automatically accept a second chance offer is usually as once I am outbid I will attempt to locate it from another seller and maybe bidding on another or found a BIN for that item.

Numb! · « **Reply #12 on:** April 27, 2009, 08:56:59 PM »

I've sent them out. Once sold 3 items off one listing, the original and two SCOs to the two closest underbidders. All three were within about $5.

brumbymg · « **Reply #13 on:** April 27, 2009, 11:37:46 PM »

I've only ever had one SCO - which I didn't take up.

It was a snipe that was beaten, so I was able to look at my maximum bid as the equivalent of a BIN. As a snipe, I would have accepted it if my max was hit - that's the risk you take.

With a SCO you have the luxury of taking your time to review, what is, a set price - so the RISK of hitting your maximum is 100%.

It has been said: "When sniping, you should bid for a win and hope for a bargain, not bid for a bargain and hope for a win."

With the SCO, that "hope for a bargain" is zero.

brumbymg · « **Reply #14 on:** April 27, 2009, 11:45:33 PM »

My seller friend recently listed an item starting at around $15, I think, wondering if there was going to be any interest. A bidding war pushed the price up to around $31.

They were very happy.

A second chance offer would have netted over $60 total for goods they were anxious about starting at $15 each.

If there was no bidding war and they listed both items, it may have been two separate sales at opening.

It is easy to see how bidders could suspect shill bidding - but my seller's feedback is outstanding and has regular customers coming back for more.

In my opinion, you could remove over 90% of suspicion by getting rid of the hidden bidder ID rubbish.

Bellagina · « **Reply #15 on:** April 29, 2009, 09:07:13 PM »

Brumby, I think you are right- at least with the buyers IDs there to be checked over, you could make an educated decision about taking up a SCO.

The way it is now, I find frustrating - as a seller I find my SCOs are rarely taken up, even though mine are all legitimate, as buyers are too afraid of shill bidding.

*wheels* · « **Reply #16 on:** April 29, 2009, 10:50:41 PM »

Exactly, Bellagina, I do not accept second chance offers unless I can see from the sellers feedback that they have been selling multiples of the same item and I can see what the selling prices have been.

Bellagina · « **Reply #17 on:** April 30, 2009, 02:57:16 PM »

Yep wheels, the problem with it is that even using your method, you cannot be sure you are not falling victim to shill bidding - even with how eBay have things set up now, astute regulars are still uncovering sellers who have set up accounts to shill bid so as to increase their selling price to what they consider an acceptable level. Hence very few take up my SCOs

(Feel for poor me, who starts her listings at break even price, and so misses out on sales

*sigh*)

col52 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 30, 2009, 04:02:42 PM »

Quote from: Bellagina on April 30, 2009, 02:57:16 PM

Yep wheels, the problem with it is that even using your method, you cannot be sure you are not falling victim to shill bidding - even with how eBay have things set up now, astute regulars are still uncovering sellers who have set up accounts to shill bid so as to increase their selling price to what they consider an acceptable level. Hence very few take up my SCOs

(Feel for poor me, who starts her listings at break even price, and so misses out on sales *sigh*)

Awww, Bellagina...........copping the flack of ebaymina

Bellagina · « **Reply #19 on:** April 30, 2009, 10:48:50 PM »

Hey Col, what happened to your avatar pic?? all I can see is a red x!

Primaryaim · « **Reply #20 on:** April 30, 2009, 10:49:57 PM »

I can see it Bell

Or are you teasing him and I don't get the joke

Bellagina · « **Reply #21 on:** April 30, 2009, 11:02:22 PM »

Ah now it is back again - probably my computer having another hissy fit.

Nah Prim, I wasn't telling fibs... honest!

I'd never tease Col.... not me.... never....naha..... no way

Primaryaim · « **Reply #22 on:** April 30, 2009, 11:03:15 PM »

Should I remove my post before he sees it?

Bellagina · « **Reply #23 on:** April 30, 2009, 11:11:34 PM »

Nahhhhh.... let it be Prim!

the posts make more sense if they are all there.

col52 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 01, 2009, 05:35:28 PM »

Quote from: Bellagina on April 30, 2009, 10:48:50 PM

Hey Col, what happened to your avatar pic?? all I can see is a red x!

Still there, could have been maintenance on photobucket.

col52 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 01, 2009, 05:36:37 PM »

Quote from: Bellagina on April 30, 2009, 11:02:22 PM

Ah now it is back again - probably my computer having another hissy fit.

Nah Prim, I wasn't telling fibs... honest!

I'd never tease Col.... not me.... never....naha..... no way

Better not or I'll set woofy on your pussy!

Bellagina · « **Reply #26 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:15:25 PM »

*Ahhhhemmmm*

Mr Col, I do hope you are referring to the beautiful feline sleeping on my lap in my avatar.....

If not, I'm not sure where to look!

col52 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:18:08 PM »

Primaryaim · « **Reply #28 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:20:06 PM »

Hi Col, Are you feeling better today?

Bellagina · « **Reply #29 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:28:46 PM »

It would seem so, prim!

I'd go so far to say that he is downright cheeky tonight!

imperfect · « **Reply #30 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:31:34 PM »

hehehehe

that's our Col!!

Primaryaim · « **Reply #31 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:32:04 PM »

Yes, he does seem perkier but someone needs to take those darn smileys away from him. He is suffering a bad case of smileyitis.

Primaryaim · « **Reply #32 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:32:27 PM »

Hi Imp.

Bellagina · « **Reply #33 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:40:47 PM »

oooh look! I'm not a new knight anymore! I've been promoted to knight!!
YAY!

*wheels* · « **Reply #34 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:43:55 PM »

And you've got 2 stars now!

col52 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:44:22 PM »

Quote from: Primula on May 01, 2009, 09:20:06 PM

Hi Col, Are you feeling better today?

Hello Prim, erm...................no!

Primaryaim · « **Reply #36 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:45:04 PM »

For Bell Col, not you LOL

But... sorry to hear you are not better. Can you drown your sorrows and ails?

col52 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:46:02 PM »

Quote from: Bellagina on May 01, 2009, 09:28:46 PM

It would seem so, prim!

I'd go so far to say that he is downright cheeky tonight!

Me? :violin:

col52 · « **Reply #38 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:48:39 PM »

Quote from: Primula on May 01, 2009, 09:32:04 PM

Yes, he does seem perkier but someone needs to take those darn smileys away from him. He is suffering a bad case of smileyitis.

Who........................me?
What makes you say that?

:P

:green:

:gossip:

:kiss:

:ban:

:ebaysign:

:petllama:

col52 · « **Reply #39 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:50:00 PM »

Quote from: Primula on May 01, 2009, 09:45:04 PM

For Bell Col, not you LOL

But... sorry to hear you are not better. Can you drown your sorrows and ails?

Thanks Prim.................but is that nails (without the "n") or ales?

Bellagina · « **Reply #40 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:50:15 PM »

Primaryaim · « **Reply #41 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:52:04 PM »

Drown his sorrows and ailments is the complete sentence

it is half cask 9 on the RT reunion thread

Bellagina · « **Reply #42 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:52:52 PM »

Please, can we tone down the frivolity??

I've got a nasty cough, and every time I laugh, I end up having a coughing fit....

I nearly choked on that last one!

Primaryaim · « **Reply #43 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:54:37 PM »

Gosh, eveyone is feeling poorly tonight. Sorry you are not well Bell

col52 · « **Reply #44 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:54:43 PM »

Quote from: Primula on May 01, 2009, 09:52:04 PM

Drown his sorrows and ailments is the complete sentence

it is half cask 9 on the RT reunion thread

LOL, I know what you meant Prim, just being...................well............you know!
Have to do something to distract myself!

Half cask nine, eh?

I'm not allowed alchofrol

col52 · « **Reply #45 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:55:39 PM »

Quote from: Bellagina on May 01, 2009, 09:52:52 PM

Please, can we tone down the frivolity??

I've got a nasty cough, and every time I laugh, I end up having a coughing fit....

I nearly choked on that last one!

Poor Bell................on which one?

Primaryaim · « **Reply #46 on:** May 01, 2009, 09:57:23 PM »

Don't go to the reunion thread Col, you can't afford the slaps.

*wheels* · « **Reply #47 on:** May 01, 2009, 10:02:49 PM »

Hello all,

Did you see I now have a pic?

I'm tempted to go to the Reunion and post a 'here's a Link' message to the last poster

I think this thread has gone a bit off-topic.

Bellagina · « **Reply #48 on:** May 01, 2009, 10:04:54 PM »

Quote from: col52 on May 01, 2009, 09:48:39 PM

Quote from: Primula on May 01, 2009, 09:32:04 PM
Yes, he does seem perkier but someone needs to take those darn smileys away from him. He is suffering a bad case of smileyitis.

Who........................me?
What makes you say that?

:P :green: :gossip: :kiss: :ban: :ebaysign: :petllama:

This one Prim... he just HAD to play with as many smileys as he could fit!! LOL

Primaryaim · « **Reply #49 on:** May 01, 2009, 10:06:31 PM »

It is a great picture Wheels and so appropriate. It reminds me of the sepia photos of my grandparents.

I would rather we left her refreshing, refreshing, refreshing waiting for a bite LOL

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