Rebel*1* - as valid as some points you make may be, you oversell it. There are huge gaps in your logic and it is sounding like socialist propaganda.......
Do you find it necessary to personally offend someone because their views differ from yours Brumby? i.e.Trade insults instead of intellect?
Dare I suggest BNWT.... Dear...Oh Bloody Dear!
Having been a happy tourist in Sri Lanka during the early eighties, and having entered a country that was in unrest, that became under the grip of martial law... and under 19Hrs / day curfew, and having seen the bodies of the townsfolk who had been shot - burning on piles of car tyres in the streets, and being connected to a number of journalists, learning that the death toll was running into the many thousands.... and not hundreds as reported by the government, and having been told by army personnel not to travel to the north of the country, lest we be killed by the Tigers to bring our country into involvement, and having, some weeks later, walked a gauntlet outlined with soldiers armed with machine guns....... I now learn that we are going to let these perpetrators in here - to Australia!
Enough said!
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/half-of-sri-lankan-arrivals-have-ties-to-tigers/story-e6frg6nf-1225891388934
(http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/half-of-sri-lankan-arrivals-have-ties-to-tigers/story-e6frg6nf-1225891388934)
Dare I suggest BNWT.... Dear...Oh Bloody Dear!
Having been a happy tourist in Sri Lanka during the early eighties, and having entered a country that was in unrest, that became under the grip of martial law... and under 19Hrs / day curfew, and having seen the bodies of the townsfolk who had been shot - burning on piles of car tyres in the streets, and being connected to a number of journalists, learning that the death toll was running into the many thousands.... and not hundreds as reported by the government, and having been told by army personnel not to travel to the north of the country, lest we be killed by the Tigers to bring our country into involvement, and having, some weeks later, walked a gauntlet outlined with soldiers armed with machine guns....... I now learn that we are going to let these perpetrators in here - to Australia!
Enough said!
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/half-of-sri-lankan-arrivals-have-ties-to-tigers/story-e6frg6nf-1225891388934
(http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/half-of-sri-lankan-arrivals-have-ties-to-tigers/story-e6frg6nf-1225891388934)
Imagine a re-elected Julia Gillard government with an Abbott controlled Senate! This is a real possibility if the Greens don’t obtain balance of power at this year's poll.
Why is it that when faced with a differing opinion, or even an objective 'big picture' consideration of an issue, some people resort to petty name calling and naked value judgements?
You are entitled to your opinion Shyer, if that's what you call it. I'm neither left or right, but a mixture of both depending on the issue under discussion. You appear to be 100% right wing, no matter what the issue by comparison. How inflexible of you..... Grow up, I dare you.
Yes mum new mines may be an election issue for NIMBies. Existing mines are old issues
it's not what she's says it's how
Rebel - thanks for the info.
IN any reasoned debate You don't get to impose your own standards of PC over any opposing opinion by way of shooting the messenger while ignoring the message. That's just oppressive.
Rebel - My earlier comments were directed at exactly the same concept that BNWT expressed - and that they were irrespective of who presented a message, just how it was presented. This actually puts you and Caldicott on the same level on this point.
You're the one taking things as 'personal' attacks and I find that a very weak argument as an excuse to oppress people with an opinion that differs from yours.
IN any reasoned debate You don't get to impose your own standards of PC over any opposing opinion by way of shooting the messenger while ignoring the message. That's just oppressive.
I couldn't have said it better.
Do you speak on behalf of people like MM Brumby? who are on the 'front line'? Seems to me she's been completely open minded, unprejudiced and gracious by comparison.
"your unfounded personal opinion ".
"your unfounded personal opinion ".
That was your invention.
My original comment only ever commented on how your message was presented.
Now that is personal - aside from being a distortion of the truth.
... and if that is the level on which you wish to conduct discussion - then I'll leave you with it.
I agree with Nightparrot. What do you do? Can I ask is it bad/good for us to have 50 Libs, 50 ALP, and 50 Independent/Greens? When on this occasion there seems to be no clear winner? or do I just vote for the hottest chickie babe handing out the cards? ;D
Hi Jane. I guess farms come in all shapes and sizes, from small intensive berry/flower operations to massive grazing/cropping properties. Therefor what affects a salmon farm in Tassie doesn't matter to a mango grower in FNQ. We are in central Vic and produce lambs and crops such as barley, oats, wheat, I can only speak for myself.
All Aussies though believe we are a continent and should be taking advantage of that. We need to promote ourselves around the world as CLEAN, GREEN and FRESH. Free of crippling diseases like mad cow, rabies, foot and mouth etc..and ethical farmers in the way we treat our animals. With a traceable structure in place, if out breaks were to occur. The Govt need to provide funding for that, a small outlay considering the benefits to an industry that provides 12% of GDP.
Genetically modified crops is a big issue here. Most people see these foods as being "untested" contaminates, being pushed down our throats by large multi nationals like Monsanto and destroying that image. I don't want them, others do, but the Govt seem to have some wishy woshy views and once they are allowed in all areas, there will never be a turning back point.
Climate change is also a hot topic, not so much for the reasons in the thread on this subject but because we just WILL NOT stand for being taxed every time our sheep farts. Its a stupid argument and Aussie farmers wont buy it.
On a national issue we really need to get food labelling sorted. Again large companies like Coles and Woolies get away with things like "product of Aus" etc and no one really understands what any of it means. I believe most of us would support Australian farmers over imports but we just don't know which is which. That's a federal issue and they need to stand up and set strict, easy to understand guidelines.
Govt is a poor neighbour. If you border a forest or crown land they wont pay their half of the fence for eg, they allow feral animals to breed out of control. They allow massive numbers of lice infected roos/foxes etc here, they dont feed them in droughts, provide water, but take away our rights to shoot them or poison them. We just have to suffer them, the damage they do, the feed they steal, the lambs they kill. We will be prosecuted if we dont control our weeds, yet they can let them run rampant on roadsides. If they provided $$ and equipment most farmers would do the controlling for them. There is way too much bureaucratic paper work to even deal with these govt departments. We see all our levies going towards all these conferences but no action on the ground.
We've had a couple of good years lately, we are not complaining about commodity prices we are getting at well maintained livestock centres near us. This will end though if sound management isn't in place. Like everything it could be done better, and alot of farmers are ageing and pretty stuck in their ways. PETA is a good example of that. Some of their ideas are "öut there" (like calling fish, sea kittens, so people wont eat them)others need to be dealt with (like mulesing) and work with these influential groups rather than against them.
Every American eats 600gms of garlic per annum, but only 400 grams of lamb (2 chops) if they ate 4 chops the world would never keep up with lamb production again. Thats the sort of promoting/trade talking, I would like to see. So therefor I'm voting for Sam Kekovich ;D
I'm sure they can in most parts of the world..... but I'm told that we export the bulk of our production, and only the non-export component serves the local market. You mentioned Coles Mandura.... The beef that they pack here includes a high level of water.
Did Obama get any votes just coz he is black and it was the first black president ?
will Julia get any votes just coz she is a Woman and it will be first elected woman prime minister ?
Perhaps a few but I trust it would not be a big enough % to determine the outcome .... perhaps Abbott will get equally as many votes coz he is a man and some people just dont want a woman in the job ......
who really knows ???? would people admit that they voted purely on gender or colour ... not many would admit to that I wouldnt think
Under Keating was the highest by a frigging country mile - no contest. It was Howard who bought them down and quickly And on political matters I don't usually comment unless it is grossly misrepresented as above source here - http://www.loansense.com.au/historical-rates.html (http://www.loansense.com.au/historical-rates.html)
Under Keating was the highest by a frigging country mile - no contest. It was Howard who bought them down and quickly And on political matters I don't usually comment unless it is grossly misrepresented as above source here - http://www.loansense.com.au/historical-rates.html (http://www.loansense.com.au/historical-rates.html)
Hi Wyze guy ,
Never argue with a commie / closet greenie , it is always blah blah blah and not a logical neurone in their body to accept the truth.
It is like argueing with an idiot , they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience every time.
Under Keating was the highest by a frigging country mile - no contest. It was Howard who bought them down and quickly And on political matters I don't usually comment unless it is grossly misrepresented as above source here - http://www.loansense.com.au/historical-rates.html (http://www.loansense.com.au/historical-rates.html)
Hi Wyze guy ,
Never argue with a commie / closet greenie , it is always blah blah blah and not a logical neurone in their body to accept the truth.
It is like argueing with an idiot , they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience every time.
And just on a lighter note....
A fake Julia Twitter account has a few comments worth a giggle.....
http://twitter.com/PM_JuliaGillard
Such gems as...
Getting ready for a mass debate with Tony Abbott. If only people knew we'd been mass debating together for years
OR....
Ok the gays can't marry but soon I'll stop all marriage just to be fair. If I don't want it why should anyone else
I was sent this graph by someone tired of being abused for not holding left view points. It is on iterest rates and to any logical person shows one thing left wing goverments rasie rates. Labour elected rates go up.
There are many factors that determine rates and goverments of the day are only control some of those factors.
But the real big wide world is only interested in facts, and historically labour has spent not saved like liberals. Keating was an exeception, a Labour treaurer / PM who was fiscially responsiable.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/brumbymg/OZRT/InterestRatesbyParty.jpg)
Just one concern Roo..... as someone mentioned, behind the figureheads are the same parties and policies that were there twelve months ago. Labor says that if they get in - we cop an ETS... on awfully flimsy evidence. Julia says she wants to support families.... with an increase of 64% in electricity costs due to a flawed carbon tax? Support..... or send everyone to the wall? She says no more dirty power stations - Nuclear energy isn't on the table - so the costs will undoubtedly rise with higher needs won't they? But then - it's the same party that wants to censor the life of every Australian..... well, not immediately, but after the election, (if they win) while claiming to have a mandate from the people to go ahead with these things.
Abbott on the other hand has been very quiet. Probably the best thing the Libs could do at the moment. But, the skeptic questions just what they may have in mind for us post election.
Too early to call at the moment.... but I'll be watching closely, with interest.
I think we need a ets just so that those that are polluting our environment will try and lower their emmisions.
Rebel - I think you mean the dugongs - they calve around shark bay area. They are so ugly - but i suppose we need to protect all animals not just the cute only.
yes breast feeding is a natural and wonderful thing .... so is copulation
and one could reasonably expect to be removed from the house of reps upon commencement of said natural act
in both instances its not the act thats wrong , just the time and place that it was being carried out
I just found out that the Shooters & Fishers party will give their preferences to the Libs. I've been thinking about joining Shooters & Fishers party as I'm a keen fisho & hate to see the random banning of recreational fishing in proclaimed areas.
Recreational fishos do no damage to the fish ecology, it's the commercial fishing industry that needs to be curbed.
Top stuff Yib. I'm concerned that the NSW govt will react & create new marine parks to make the Greens happy. The current NSW govt is on the skids & unless something dramatic occurs will probably lose the next election.
Yib, I'm a foundation member of the NSW Shooters Party. This now includes fisherman, 4WD, Archery, Horse Riding and a number of other sporting disciplines. The formation of a party became important - or, we would all lose our freedoms concerning our sporting activities. Monday was a good example - where a robbery went wrong and two people - the robber, and a bystander were shot. The robber died. The Greens, Ms Rhiannon's response - ban all semi automatic handguns! And, as always, the only people who are affected are the lawful ones. It's extremely doubtful that the robber was an upstanding citizen, using a licenced firearm to commit the crime........ but that matters not - particularly when the outcome serves some narrow minded party agenda!
I'm going blind I think Ubbie..... refer link below!
http://www.shootersandfishers.org.au/get-involved/default.aspx (http://www.shootersandfishers.org.au/get-involved/default.aspx)
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/7653559/abbott-promises-drastic-fisheries-overhal/ (http://uau.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/7653559/abbott-promises-drastic-fisheries-overhaul/)
See he really does not care what West Australians think Polling last week in WA showed that 8-in-10 WA voters support high levels of marine protection and a recent independent economic study showed that marine sanctuaries would help boost our southwest tourism industries to $55 million per year," he said.
I would think it would be against the rules of Parliament to bring children in there. Whatever would posses a woman to take her baby to work – and parliament at that – and set about publicly nurturing her child? It was not the result of being forced into the position of feeding because there was nowhere else, like I occasionally found myself in. It was a forced and contrived situation – unnatural. In my humble and considered opinion, it would have been to make a point and an unnecessary one in those circumstances at that.
As I recall, she had to attend an important vote in the house. The bells were rung necessitating her being there. I remember that there was a large deal of criticism pointed at her - regarding the care of her daughter. (She did have a carer - but this person could not provide feeding.)
'The Times They are a Changin' and I think that's a good thing. No woman should be humiliated or ejected for breast feeding. I'd stand up for any nursing mum being harassed over it. Who wouldn't?
Various women I personally know, have returned to work shortly after having their child, in 'salaried professional positions', and on various occasions had to breast feed on the run. (Modesty taken into account of course) That's life.
http://www.oceanplanet.org.au/national.php#wa
Whilst searching for info on the current process I have just found this site , and it seems to contradict things mentioned in other links and stories mentioned by us on this thread in relation to this , for example ....
Western Australia has thirteen multiple use marine parks, marine management areas and marine nature reserves, covering 11.7% of the state waters, with a high level of protection offered to 2.4% of the state waters
one of the other sites or stories said 1%
also this ....
As part of that process, the government is taking advice from ‘stakeholders’ or people connected to the ocean for any reason (be it recreational or commercial), for their view on marine management. It is utterly crucial for everyone who has an interest in the future health of our oceans to have their say in this process
which is precisely what Abbott was suggesting and has been poo pooed for ??
Evening all.
An election? Doesn't matter who you vote for you'll be electing a politician and no good will ever come of that.
I have nothing useful or relevant to add but I do have one question.
Yibs, is there really a Victorian parliamentarian named Joe Helper??
perhaps we should launch the Amigo party
perhaps we should launch the Amigo party
Oh sure smee... the most corrupted twisted self serving kinky abusive lawless rude threesome ever assembled.... and thats the quality's of just one Amigo....
perhaps we should launch the Amigo party
Oh sure smee... the most corrupted twisted self serving kinky abusive lawless rude threesome ever assembled.... and thats the quality's of just one Amigo....
yeah guess you are right ....over qualified for the job
a newie and even more relevant
http://youtu.be/yidl7o3hU0M
Gillard warns leakers: I'll sack you
lololololololollololololollolololololololololololol
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/gillard-warns-leakers-ill-sack-you/story-fn59niix-1225898443420
I'm frustrated we don't have more choice in leadership, policy's and party's... It's like being given two short straws in a hand and asked to pick one........... short straw you loose..
Rebel
my laughter was directly at ms gillard ........... it's easy to say "I'll sack you"
but firstly you need to know who it is that is leaking and more importantly WHY are they leaking
if she can't control her own party how the hell can she run the country
if the informant were Rudd .... he has already been sacked !
This whole thing SMACKS of Liberal toe cutting
you keep saying that , but how would any of the liberals know that Julia queried these 2 things ? none of them were present at the cabinet meeting so therefore it must have been leaked by a labor member of cabinet or Laurie Oakes is a very good guesser .... an Wayne Swan admited that there was leaks by saying they were powerless to stop them .... and it was the third leak in a week or 2 so does someone guess right every time ????
An interesting discussion. From memory however, when Laurie Oakes was confronted with receiving his information from Kevin Rudd - his answer was that the accusers should be looking closer to home. Now just what did that mean? Was he referring to our new Deputy Leader? Was it someone from the factions that supported Mr Rudd - who had a serious problem (as I do in fact) with the way that Mr Rudd was 'destroyed'? And, who raised the matter of being 'Un-Australian'? The Australian way accepts a high element of risk - not jumping on a potential favourite for better odds. Just my opinion - but I believe the way Mr Rudd was treated to be totally un Australian. It also treats every single voting member of the community with complete contempt.... they being considered not bright enough to make their own decisions.
LOL really? Yes - really!
She had NO CHOICE but to address the issue as if it was true. No, not as if, but because it did turn out to be true. Hence - the press conference... and the explanation of how she's NOW seen the light - particularly where the increased pensions are concerned - and her previous objections to the increase. Yes - I know she's a lawyer - but, as a lawyer, she would be completely aware that any flaw... or slip... or pause... or incorrect statement in a case brings the credibility of the whole case into doubt.
It's called damage control in the face of unfounded allegations that are obviously designed to undermine the ALP and this election campaign. What would you do? ignore it?
The allegations were hardly unfounded - as she had to explain herself - and after an extensive time - come clean.
And - what would I do? One of two things... either explain myself - or deny the allegations. I'd place some credibility in the public to form their own opinions. And - she had precisely the same options.
Perhaps you might like to consider a further option...... The 'power brokers' do not want Kevin Rudd to have anything to do with the ALP, other than to win them an election - and then clear off. Ms Gillard has publicly promised him a place on the front bench - subject to winning the next election. In order to undo that promise - a well placed smear campaign perhaps? Discredit the person further perhaps? Create and enhance a public perception of distrust against him perhaps? Offering unsubstantiated allegations against the person might just achieve the result - with minimal collateral damage to the image of the party! Ms Gillard can then justify why she is not going to keep her promise.
Remember one thing..... Mr Rudd has denied providing this information. It is the ALP - not the public - who continue the rhetoric that he is guilty!
Did you see her press conference? Did you not hear her explanation of how she was against the rise in pensions - because she was unsure that the government could afford it? Wouldn't that have been the Treasurer's concern.... or was Ms Gillard honourary Treasurer for a day - on that day?
btw, if she DIDN'T hold a press conference, refuting the allegations
She 'refuted the allegations' with what were her facts in the matter, that yes - she was initially against the idea..... however..... Again - not unsubstantiated.
How about the spin...... people will consider her more fiscally responsible with this story - won't they.
She said that she was for it, but she wasn't making an EMOTIVE decision. It had to be fiscally achievable.
(....... and the elderly don't vote labor anyhow!)
Again, wouldn't that have been the Treasurer's concern.... or was Ms Gillard honourary Treasurer for a day - on that day? Or, perhaps she believed the 'then' treasurer as an incompetent? It's all about spin!
SHE WASN'T AGAINST IT. She was actually for it, but if you have to rob Peter to Pay Paul to fund it,
I see - so that's why her new deal with the big 4 mining companies (excluding those smaller 'stick in the mud' companies that are resuming their anti labor advertising) included returning $9 Billion to them. Was that robbing Peter..... or paying Paul???
Rebel - You keep mentioning "without substance or FACT".
Ms Gillard herself, by her own admissions, provided substantiation of these facts. The only assumptions being made at the present time - are where this information came from - not the content - but the source/s.
Laurie Oakes - or any other journalist for that matter is not required to reveal his / their source/s.
As far as his negligence is concerned - many crimes are solved by anonymous information. It's actually encouraged - refer to Crimestoppers.
(....... and the elderly don't vote labor anyhow!)
Loco, how can you be that blind?
The above part quote is not my words - or belief for that matter. It was a comment attributed to Ms Gillard when she had an issue with increasing pensions. If you want proof - ask Ms Gillard..... her words - not mine.
Rebel - I enjoy a debate as well. I'm certainly NOT critical of your thoughts and opinions - mind you, occasionally, yours differ from mine. But that is a good and healthy thing I believe. Please don't misinterpret my comments as a personal attack against you..... that's certainly not my intention. Your views are just as valid as anyone else's here!
As regards Mining - I'm probably as far removed from that as can be. Mr Rudd's initiative without compromise I believed to be a good one - mainly on the basis of the views of manduramum, who is in the thick of things in WA. But, since the matter has raised its head, I note that a lot of investment has been withdrawn, which will affect jobs and development of infrastructure in this country. I also noted the backlash against Mr Rudd from places like Mt Isa - in his own state. It was also mentioned that the increase, in many ways would be passed back down the line to the consumer - higher energy / gas costs. Not altogether different to a price rise at Coles - which inevitably, finds its way to all of us. So, at the moment, I suppose I'm fence sitting on this one.... watching in interest you might say. does leave me wondering about the relief from tax burden.... or is it just out of the other pocket?
Greens are watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside.............
(from aLabor polititian)Rhiannon, he reminded Parliament, was a former member of the Socialist Party of Australia, a pro-Moscow breakaway from the disintegrating Communist Party of Australia.
"Since the disintegration of the Soviet Union, Ms Lee Rhiannon has led an absolute takeover of the NSW Greens. This attack is aimed at consigning the legitimate environmentalists to political limbo."
.........
THE REAL GOAL
......Economic levers would include cap-and-trade systems, resources would be taxed as they were extracted and income taxes reduced. A carbon tax would be introduced.
Single-use products would disappear, as would short-lived tech products. Public transport is increased, air travel is heavily restricted.
Expensive consumer items are leased and their owners responsible for recycling or reusing their raw materials.
Those on lower incomes would be subsidised to compensate for the higher cost of products and services. The range of incomes would be shrunk to "reward contributions" rather than "multiplying privilege".
Incomes are lower but working hours are reduced.
The credit/debt system is phased out; consumers and investors must save.
Population growth is retarded; the average age increases.
They all accuse Mr Rudd of the leaks..... no evidence of it .... but why let the facts get in the way of a goodbash-upstory?
Who's doing all the leaking now? Seems like a srcipt for The Bald and the Breathless to me.
Julia Gillard gave $100bn tax shelter to three mining giants
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillard-gave-100bn-tax-shelter-to-three-mining-giants-andrew-forrest/story-fn59niix-1225899610675
What you said Westy..... And...
Who the bluddy hell is Mark Latham when all is said and done?
And - who the Hell is Alexander Downer? "Where are you Alistair?"
They all accuse Mr Rudd of the leaks..... no evidence of it .... but why let the facts get in the way of a goodbash-upstory?
Who's doing all the leaking now? Seems like a srcipt for The Bald and the Breathless to me.
Hi Mandurahmum, I haven't read past this post, but I wanted to comment on this part of yours if I may.
When will we have the balls to say to them - no more. We will no longer put Aussie lives in danger because we no longer trust the USA. We invaded Iraq because of WMD - on faulty intelligence. I have no idea why we are still n Afghanistan - according the many US news services and some of the pages that were leaked - Al Quaida is probably in Pakistan
My soon to be ex landlord is involved in the SAS and has just returned from time in Afghanistan. My son asked him why they were over there and his response was something like this (please keep in mind that I was not really paying attention) The purpose of their presence in Afghanastan is to assist in establishing a strong government to withstand threats of terrorism and the development of "safe havens" for terrorist groups. (Thus protecting the rest of the world). He said that they would be there for about another 5 years and then maintain a consistent presence and ongoing support and training. he also spoke of something to do with Afghanastan being a gateway for terrorism which needed to be plugged.
I really don't understand how it all works, but I am under the impression that they need to establish a govt. committed to fighting terrorism and not harbouring it.
I believe that the information given to my son would have been "dumbed down" to suit a 14 year old, in addition to no doubt excluding information which he was not at liberty to share with any Tom Dick or Harry (or Tennant)
No Yib our pollies are too busy bending over for the yanks. That's what offends me the most I think. Our boys are over there on false pretenses in the first place, given the US history with the middle east and Bin Laden himself. And even though they've found mineral resources I bet their allies are the last on the list of those being remunerated. They're always bloody meddling. Just look at South America as a brilliant example of their kind of 'democracy' in action. The middle east is just the new South America. Who knows Yib, we could have been led into this invasion because the US already suspected there was untapped mineral wealth. As I said earlier, not WMD's, but MMP's = Minerals of Mass profit.
Soldiers are expected to say that - they are not allowed to say anything negative or even truthful.
Thats why that soldier leaked those 90,000 pages of 'confidential info' because sometimes its the only way to get the truth out there.
I support the strong sentiment 'against' this war, but I do feel that this was going a tad too far. Nothing is in the public interest if it means that lives are going to be placed at risk. The guy from Wiki leaks arrogantly agreed that he would have to consider any such deaths to be 'collateral damage' ? What a poonce. The least he could have done was shield the bloody names. I think he needs a gun held up to his head by a Taliban die hard and let's see how he likes the prospect of being turned into a statistic by the same standards.
How many times has history demonstrated this scenario though? America using informants within the population they have invaded or are attempting to manipulate, and then those informants being left high and dry when the shite hits the fan?
Any wonder why Afghan people don't openly assist the so called US investment in their country?. Being an ally of the yanks could get them killed. By comparison if they don't cowtow to the Taliban, that too can get them killed. Can't win can they? They're everybody's collateral damage apparently. I wonder if the US are going to get those people who were named (and their families), out of Afghanistan without the usual bullshit over substantiating refugee status??? lol.
Either way, I don't think our role there should be to back up the US in a war, but to provide a peace keeping force while Afghan itself forms its own Govt, Defense and Police force and other necessary infrastructure. They can then fight the Taliban without our help. What we're forgetting is that they are no longer a country of poverty and therefore an 'easy target' to everyone wanting to 'lord' it up over them. They are now independently wealthy and they need help to empower their own people to fight for peace and democracy according to their interpretation/culture/religion/history etc.
elantra
you say when talking about prime minister Abbott "Remember he was only elected leader of his party by one vote"
ms gillard was elected with NO votes .......... but just one knife
Correct. Nobody else stood for leadership wasn't that also correct? And if not Julia, then who else? I think if it was going to happen, then we got the best candidate in Julia Gillard.
A most articulate and intelligent woman in her own right. I thought she performed BRILLIANTLY on the morning after the so called 'leaks' were exposed and fingers pointed with ensuing media frenzy over hearsay.
Meanwhile Abbott showed up at a press conference directly after, with nothing but negative sloganism, no intelligent reply to questions and backed up by two colleagues to step in when he 'did the George Bush' Doh !!!
Heeeeellllllllo Everyone. (epecially Golden)
I am very upset with that little Kevin Rudd for plunging my beautiful pond into debt. We were ahead. Had money in the bank.. and now.. big debt. Labour do it every time. My grandmother always told me you couldn't rely on someone who couldn't manage their money. (or MY money if you think about.)
Many dead and overseas citizens were paid that $900. Ridiculous!!! (and I know both cases personally)
That little Julia is a naughty girl. Sticking a knife in the poor little Kevins back like that. Even naughty boys don't deserve to be attacked by their own. No loyalty.
I rather like Tony's budgy smugglers, but still don't trust any of them at the end of the day. It comes down to which party is going to ruin the country less. I think I'll go with the experienced players with a history of managing the country asutely and into excess and not the amateurs (Labour) who take moments to throw money away.
You are forgetting that this Government kept Australia out of a recession. Please remember that. The rest of the world would love to be in our position. The reason the previous Government had so much money was from the GST & the fact that they sold of so much of our gold reserves at a very low price.
we might be in debt but we are not in a recession.
Which we would be if we had done nothing.
Look at how much the USA spent trying to avoid a recession.
Look at how much the U.K spent trying to avoid a recession.
Look at Greece.
This bunch of amateurs saved & created a lot of jobs for all of us Australians.
No other Government has had to deal with a crises like the "GFC" since the 1930's
The thing is, it is not over yet.
Please remember that when you come to vote.
I'm glad you like Tony's budgy (sic) smugglers, you can see the outline of his polices.
Heeeeellllllllo Everyone. (epecially Golden)
I am very upset with that little Kevin Rudd for plunging my beautiful pond into debt. We were ahead. Had money in the bank.. and now.. big debt. Labour do it every time. My grandmother always told me you couldn't rely on someone who couldn't manage their money. (or MY money if you think about.)
Many dead and overseas citizens were paid that $900. Ridiculous!!! (and I know both cases personally)
That little Julia is a naughty girl. Sticking a knife in the poor little Kevins back like that. Even naughty boys don't deserve to be attacked by their own. No loyalty.
I rather like Tony's budgy smugglers, but still don't trust any of them at the end of the day. It comes down to which party is going to ruin the country less. I think I'll go with the experienced players with a history of managing the country asutely and into excess and not the amateurs (Labour) who take moments to throw money away.
You are forgetting that this Government kept Australia out of a recession. Please remember that. The rest of the world would love to be in our position.
The reason the previous Government had so much money was from the GST & the fact that they sold of so much of our gold reserves at a very low price.
we might be in debt but we are not in a recession.
Which we would be if we had done nothing.
Look at how much the USA spent trying to avoid a recession.
Look at how much the U.K spent trying to avoid a recession.
Look at Greece.
This bunch of amateurs saved & created a lot of jobs for all of us Australians.
No other Government has had to deal with a crises like the "GFC" since the 1930's
The thing is, it is not over yet.
Please remember that when you come to vote.
I'm glad you like Tony's budgy (sic) smugglers, you can see the outline of his polices.
Not forgetting Bank protection which guaranteed our money would be safe in the Bank.Heeeeellllllllo Everyone. (epecially Golden)
I am very upset with that little Kevin Rudd for plunging my beautiful pond into debt. We were ahead. Had money in the bank.. and now.. big debt. Labour do it every time. My grandmother always told me you couldn't rely on someone who couldn't manage their money. (or MY money if you think about.)
Many dead and overseas citizens were paid that $900. Ridiculous!!! (and I know both cases personally)
That little Julia is a naughty girl. Sticking a knife in the poor little Kevins back like that. Even naughty boys don't deserve to be attacked by their own. No loyalty.
I rather like Tony's budgy smugglers, but still don't trust any of them at the end of the day. It comes down to which party is going to ruin the country less. I think I'll go with the experienced players with a history of managing the country asutely and into excess and not the amateurs (Labour) who take moments to throw money away.
You are forgetting that this Government kept Australia out of a recession. Please remember that. The rest of the world would love to be in our position.
The reason the previous Government had so much money was from the GST & the fact that they sold of so much of our gold reserves at a very low price.
we might be in debt but we are not in a recession.
Which we would be if we had done nothing.
Look at how much the USA spent trying to avoid a recession.
Look at how much the U.K spent trying to avoid a recession.
Look at Greece.
This bunch of amateurs saved & created a lot of jobs for all of us Australians.
No other Government has had to deal with a crises like the "GFC" since the 1930's
The thing is, it is not over yet.
Please remember that when you come to vote.
I'm glad you like Tony's budgy (sic) smugglers, you can see the outline of his polices.
exactly. The previous government had money because they were not spending it on things that needed it.
Mrs Fluffee - I hate to disagree with you - but there is ample evidence that Mr Rudds government kept us out of recession. His stimulus package did work. We did not loose the jobs that were predicted - none of our major banks went under (thank you Mr Keating for making our banking regulations so strong). The building industry boomed - and is still booming over here.
I am sorry but I think it might be the one thing that Rudd will be remembered for - and rightly so - He has gotten worldwide praise for his efforts and we are the envy of most of the world right now
Heellloo Mum. ;D Yes I would agree with you about Keating. Jolly good treasurer that.
I'm not Labour or Liberal at core. I'm a swinger.
But I am cross about being put into debt and it does seem to be a pattern (Keating excepted) with Labour.
As for jobs.. well my entire family (bar one out of 4) lost their entire livelihoods for a long time, many months. Had never happened before. But this is just my opinion and personal experience.
Many many in our profession were and are out of work for a long time. The hiring people told me stories of receiving hundreds and hundreds of applications whereas in the past they would only receive 40 or 50. Some people I know have still not found suitable or alternatively any jobs. This is absolutely unheard of prior to this. I personally know many many clever professional people who still can't find work. I was eventually one of the lucky ones. That makes two out of four in my family now.
Unemployment figures are hidden amongst many people.
For the first 5 months, I did not appear in jobless figures because my partner was working. Then they lost their job and we had to wait 3 or 4 months to be able to register for unemployment and received help from the government because we had a little hard earned money in the bank. We blew 20 grand in those three or four months whilst we were qualifying. During that time we did not appear in the jobless figures either.
I have a friend whose partner is a lawyer. They had a baby late last year. The wife did not lose her job, but her husband did and still can't get work. He does not appear in the unemployment figures. The wife wanted to spend time with the baby, but couldn't as they needed an income.
I know of many people who are in this same position and don't appear as unemployed. Unemployment is a lot rifer than the government would lead us to believe. ... I know.
I'm glad you like Tony's budgy (sic) smugglers, you can see the outline of his polices.
LMAO, yes and he has it firmly in hand most of the time as he practices his lines in front of the mirror. "Magic Mirror tell me today, have all my toe cutters had fun at play"
Elantra, and MM, you are so right, and the glaringly obvious disparity between the have's and have not's in Johnny's last year of Govt, demonstrates exactly who paid for the surplus. Us !! Average Aussies went without to fund that position, while the Mining companies were given the concession of all concessions. Our wealth at $1.00 in $7.00. The previous Labour Govt charged $1.00 in $3.00. It's self evident who was favoured in that little back room deal yes? Why are the mining companies paying so little since the Howard Govt eh? How do they reconcile that with the NATIONAL interests? Under Abbott, they'll probably be paying .50 cents in $7.00. I'd like this issue debated given that it concerns short sheeting Australia's return on their own wealth.
And lest we forget, During the last two years of the Howard Govt. the richest 200 Australians announced RECORD profits of 22% & 26% respectively on the back of the commodities boom. I posted a point form glimpse of how Average Aussies were fairing in the same Year Little Johnny was Telling us 'We'd never been better off". Where I live, the unemployment was out of control - 23 jobs advertised per week with 12,000 job seekers. We had one of the highest foreclosure figures in the country, the lowest wage rates, and no access to any services because Johnny had literally starved them dry from the Fed level down. Meanwhile Johnny and Stone were asserting that we had a 'Once in a Lifetime' labour market and anyone not employed was simply 'work avoidant'. I wrote to Howard at the time with statistics, pointing out that with 23 jobs per week and 12,000 job seekers, "Work was avoiding us". (btw, I wasn't unemployed thankfully, but many many of my fellow residents were)
His Govt. robbed 1billion dollars from the public health budget and gave it to the Private Health market (this in a time when the wealthy, or otherwise better off, didn't really need such biased concessions).
In fact, I'll go back and do an analysis as I did previously, on exactly how Johnny robbed Peter (The Aussie Punters), to Pay Paul (The Aussie Rich). It should then be self evident how Johnny was able to put us into surplus. Nero fiddles, Rome Burns.
Abbott's now proposing to rob another billion out of the National Public Health Budget? What's changed? They can't tax mining. Oh heavens no, let's rob the public purse instead and provide sub standard 2nd world health & hospital standards instead ?
But as I said, I'll go and get the actual factual evidence so you can figure it out for yourself. Any Govt that has to Rob people of basic services while advantaging the rich in every direction is not acting in the National Interest. I challenge both parties to bring the issue of mining remuneration to the next debate. Let's see which of the two kings are wearing no clothes.
Tanner tight-lipped on leak allegationshttp://www.optuszoo.com.au/news/175716/gaffe-takes-shine-off-baby-leave-plan.html
He says he does not think the leaks have been damaging to the Labor Party
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/03/2971850.htm?section=justin
No Second Debate
as soon to be PM Tony Abbott says
"You can't change the rules just because you're in trouble. Labor had the chance ... and frankly things have moved on.
I can't be expected to know whether it's the real Julia or someone else talking and when she said no (to 3 debates), I thought she meant no".
yes MM Kevin Reynolds was the one I was initially thinking of but his name eluded me ...
him and Macdonald both pissinthesamepot anyway
Your reputation precedes you. sure to make sure you're never late no doubt. Care to impede my account on your subjective grounds alone? that would in fact be in keeping with your reputation, so I'd expect that. Hey general members, If I don't post anymore. I'm sure you can put together what happened. LOL. Poddy didn't like me. what a shame. I've heard on the grapevine that he actually runs this forum. I thought the countess ran the joint. Must have been misinformed? Is hearsay admissible on this thread of hearsay?
in the face of obvious discrimination as a member of this forum.
Who's really running this site Brumby? Countessa or other factions?
Go to the Paymate thread
Yes - what brumby said!
This set out as a political discussion - as you earlier described - a debate. The old rule of thumb was that one should never argue politics or religion.... as these things were generally pretty deeply rooted in personal opinion and belief. But - a debate is just that - it's not a personal thing.... or it shouldn't be taken as such, but all players have the opportunity to gain further insight or knowledge from it. Between the lines - I think you would know that rebel.
Rebel...... answer this one honestly..... ARE YOU REALLY TELLO IN DISGUISE????? :rofl: :roughend:
BTW can you privileged ones please email admin ? I certainly have.
... and other members have simply said, in effect, "I know that voice".
email admin and tell them why I need to be banished.
....I agree - at least this time they did not use a ridiculously large font to express their 'opinion'......
It also adds nothing to the debate
....I agree - at least this time they did not use a ridiculously large font to express their 'opinion'......
It also adds nothing to the debate
Interesting logic MM my use of a large font to highlight my opinion "offends" you thereforth I added nothing to the debate .
More honest summary, shoot the messanger because you do not like the message.
I do not really care who wins the election for the lower house ALP and LIbs are both grabbing center court. Never have I seen a Labour "promice" to hand power from eduction unions back to the local community. While Libs promice a NEW tax to fund paid parental leave.
WHAT I do care about is greens being handed the balance of power by LABOUR desparate at all costs to stay in Government. Most Green voters mean well the just do not understand they are voting for communists like Rhiannon for NSW.
From the post which has a link you found offensive on page 19 here .
" Before Rhiannon became an upper house MP, the now-disgraced Labor left-winger Ian Macdonald set the ball rolling. Rhiannon, he reminded Parliament, was a former member of the Socialist Party of Australia, a pro-Moscow breakaway from the disintegrating Communist Party of Australia.
"Since the disintegration of the Soviet Union, Ms Lee Rhiannon has led an absolute takeover of the NSW Greens. This attack is aimed at consigning the legitimate environmentalists to political limbo."
That post also highlights the communist economic policies of the greens.
On an another issue I do not care if rebel is a cupie doll . All I can see is they both come from the same communist slave labour camp factory. Repeating ad nausem from the commisars handbook relevance or truthful not being important.
Our election survey results are in
the opinions of over 16,000 voters ......... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/election/our-election-survey-results-are-in/story-fn5zm695-1225900828979
Go the Shooters & Fishers they have my vote in the Senate.
I think their preferences are going to the drinkers, smokers and shaggers party
I am thinking of starting a party for the next election :)
Do you think "Cut the Crap" is catchy enough?
I am working on what platform to adopt.
The following may be some of them
1. Ban automated phone redirection systems and restore humans for telephone enquiries, thus creating jobs.
2. Restore some of the powers to teachers that they had in the past allowing teachers to do their work without being hindered by stupid rules.
3. Royal Commissions participants to be paid the most basic wage while they are involved in an enquiry, that should get their arses into gear to finish in a timely fashion.
Just a few ideas, if you would like to contribute and have something that you think is unjust or a hindrance to the health, wealth and wellbeing to our existence please feel free to make suggestions :)
was going to ask Poddy if I could be Minister for Commonsense!
Ummmmmmm Westie , what part of "cut the crap" didnt you understand
maybe you could be minister for youth affairs !
And - a follow up...
Greens vow to turn Australia's territorial waters into marine park
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/greens-vow-to-turn-australias-territorial-waters-into-marine-park/story-fn5ko0pw-1225899498096 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/greens-vow-to-turn-australias-territorial-waters-into-marine-park/story-fn5ko0pw-1225899498096)
This mining tax, or GREAT BIG NEW TAX as Mr Abbott calls it.
Is really starting to bite.
Rio Tinto's net earnings only soared 260% that's right only 260%!!!!!
That's only $US5.77 billion, FOR THE FIRST HALF.
that's not turnover that's just net earnings.
It's no wonder Mr Abbott dose not want them taxed on profits
BHP shares went up a further 29cents today.
Even Oz Minerals Limited went up again.
Lets hope they do the right thing & take most of that money off shore,
along with all the Minerals they have dug out of our ground.
So they can leave us a GREAT BIG NEW HOLE IN THE GROUND, & nothing else.
That's what we want isn't it?
http://www.optuszoo.com.au/news/177311/iron-ore-helps-rio-to-6-3bn-result.html
Just 2 Months Ago
http://media.smh.com.au/national/selections/gillard-to-push-kev-overboard-1579425.html&exc_from=strap
just goes to show there's no point listening to journalists .... especially leftie fan boys like phil coorey & michelle grattan
speaking of leftie fan boys where is our own leftie fan boy cupie doll?
Her wings fallen off already? consinged to Mondays night rubbish bin???
it is hilarious to watch that stupid SBS weekend news reader - who is of late wearing her clothes inside out for some bizarre reason - gush about the surge in support for, at that time, the fake julia gillard
Gillard on top in polls
http://player.sbs.com.au/naca#/naca/wna/Latest/playlist/Gillard-on-top-in-polls/"
it is hilarious to watch that stupid SBS weekend news reader - who is of late wearing her clothes inside out for some bizarre reason - gush about the surge in support for, at that time, the fake julia gillard
Gillard on top in polls
http://player.sbs.com.au/naca#/naca/wna/Latest/playlist/Gillard-on-top-in-polls/"
The timestamp on the thumbnail says SAT 26TH JUN, 6:30PM ... is this clip that old?
who is of late wearing her clothes inside out for some bizarre reason
talking about bizarre ways of wearing clothes ...inside out would have to be better than the latest youth fashion sense wouldnt it ...ie ... weraing your trousers around the top of your thighs just under the lower crease of your butt cheeks where they meet the top of your legs (instead of on the hips or waist) so that the entire population of the world get to see every square inch of your underpants !!...................
WTF is all that about ??????? apart from being unsightly at best its got to be uncomfortable doesnt it ?????
so just to stay on topic , I think one of the political parties should come up with a policy that if they get elected they will bring in a law that sees any one who wears their pants like this will be sentenced to a public flogging or something similar
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ANARCHY...............should be more of it!!!!!!!!
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Whether you agree with it or not, I thought it self explanatory....
Rats deserting a sinking ship, giving the excuse that "I'm leaving to spend more time with my family...."
Perhaps if we take a microscopic step past pedanticism and look at the possibilities of analogy, inference, suggestion. tongue-in-cheek or even a simple misspelling, then I think the meaning falls into place.
If we wish to take a step closer, the only difference between confusion and understanding is 'u'.
Perhaps if we take a microscopic step past pedanticism and look at the possibilities of analogy, inference, suggestion. tongue-in-cheek or even a simple misspelling, then I think the meaning falls into place.
If we wish to take a step closer, the only difference between confusion and understanding is 'u'.
So it's incorrect spelling,, So the rats are jumpping off a ship called Harbour into the Harbour?
Nah,, still don't get it.
Perhaps if we take a microscopic step past pedanticism and look at the possibilities of analogy, inference, suggestion. tongue-in-cheek or even a simple misspelling, then I think the meaning falls into place.
If we wish to take a step closer, the only difference between confusion and understanding is 'u'.
So it's incorrect spelling,, So the rats are jumpping off a ship called Harbour into the Harbour?
Nah,, still don't get it.
Funny - I actually gave the letter that needed to be considered for the spelling issue ... rather explicitly too.
I will leave it to other readers to form their own opinion on the skills of comprehension, spelling and/or wit of some (I presume to be) Aussie voters.
I'll turn back the boats
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..... to poke fun & try to score cheap points at an Australian political party,
doesn't quite work for some of us Australians I'm afraid.
Try for something more relevant, & it might be funny, I didn't think that was.
EXHIBIT AIt is Australian, & I think all the spelling is correctI'll turn back the boats
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EXHIBIT B..... to poke fun & try to score cheap points at an Australian political party,
doesn't quite work for some of us Australians I'm afraid.
Try for something more relevant, & it might be funny, I didn't think that was.
Hmmmm.....
I bet you guys are really excited about the oppositions broadband plan.
http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/government-tech-policy/41090-abbott-broadband-an-economic-disaster (http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/government-tech-policy/41090-abbott-broadband-an-economic-disaster)
http://www.smh.com.au/national/letters/file-abbotts-plan-with-wooden-rails-and-candles-20100811-11znf.html (http://www.smh.com.au/national/letters/file-abbotts-plan-with-wooden-rails-and-candles-20100811-11znf.html)
(http://www.mysunshinecoast.com.au/articles/article-display/tony-abbott-snubs-regional-queensland-with-second-rate-broadband-plan,18203)
Guess we were lucky he was not around when Australia was laying rail tracks.
He would have come up with a plan to keep the covered wagons.
See Tasmania turned on their new broadband network this morning & are getting download speed of up to 1GB per second
Gee even New Zealand will have a better network than us.
not quiteThis is not America, we do not, I repeat, do not elect a leader. The party elects a leader.
the liberal party elected turnbull and the dumped him
the people of australia elected krudd and I think the people of australia should have decided is he stayed or got dumped
not quiteThis is not America, we do not, I repeat, do not elect a leader. The party elects a leader.
the liberal party elected turnbull and the dumped him
the people of australia elected krudd and I think the people of australia should have decided is he stayed or got dumped
You know this as well as I know this.
I am voting for my local Member, I think you will be doing the same.
Not for PHONY TONY or FOOLYA JULIYA but the local member.
But lets keep saying the same thing over & over again.
It is all paper talk & gets in the way of the issue's.
Wait ,,, there you go, that's why the Liberal party keeps up the same rhetoric.
To keep PHONY TONY off the real issue's.
not quiteThis is not America, we do not, I repeat, do not elect a leader. The party elects a leader.
the liberal party elected turnbull and the dumped him
the people of australia elected krudd and I think the people of australia should have decided is he stayed or got dumped
You know this as well as I know this.
I am voting for my local Member, I think you will be doing the same.
Not for PHONY TONY or FOOLYA JULIYA but the local member.
But lets keep saying the same thing over & over again.
It is all paper talk & gets in the way of the issue's.
Wait ,,, there you go, that's why the Liberal party keeps up the same rhetoric.
To keep PHONY TONY off the real issue's.
exactly - we vote for our local member - not who will be Prime Minister.
There is no guarantee that Julia or Tony will be Prime Minister - first they have to win their own seat.
Abbot has shown once again that he cant be trusted, even when its for charity
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/surfs-up-but-abbotts-absent-getup-20100811-11zfd.html (http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/surfs-up-but-abbotts-absent-getup-20100811-11zfd.html)
This is not America, we do not, I repeat, do not elect a leader. The party elects a leader.I seem to remember about three & a half years ago, when Costello told the then Prime minister John Howard, that the polls were saying that they can not win the next election with him (Howard) as leader,
Now that's an interesting thought. So, you're telling me that the Labor party misled the population with the Kevin07 campaign - in that Kevin Rudd was made the focal point of the election.... and the people supported HIM. (Why do you think a large part of the voting community is so seriously peeved with Labor at the moment?)
Some wisdom from Tony Abbott may help.... where he said that Opposition Leaders are selected by the party - and often do change, because they belong to the party. Prime Ministers on the other hand belong to BOTH the party and the people.
I wouldn't have voted for Mr Rudd's government - because I don't support a number of the party policies. I do believe however, that with Kevin Rudd at the helm, Labor would have been returned to government. But - we'll never know, will we.... because the Labor party quite obviously has serious issues with standing by their own people. And - they know much better than the voters anyhow - at least, in their own minds!
elantra
when you say This is not America, we do not, I repeat, do not elect a leader. The party elects a leader.
why does she keep referring to the Gillard Government ??????
Polls point to Abbott win: Labor
best line in the video : "labor state governments are about as popular as a chikito in a public pool"
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/7763938/polls-point-to-abbott-win-labor/
Labor rail pledge didn't get Cabinet approval
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/16/2984706.htm
“Our research shows that preferences are an extremely damaging issue for us to talk about. Talking about preferences makes voters think a vote for the Greens is not meaningful, that it is being stolen from them and put somewhere they didn’t decide, and that politics is about backroom deals they are not part of.” Greens party leader Bob Brown’s staffer Erin Farley being candid with the comrades…
WAussies can be the jewel in the crown and deal labor the final death blow
The coalition is saying that the Treasury is corrupt!!
I guess they would know there were the ones to corrupt it.
Where is Godwin Gretsch these days? Remember UTEGATE???
Did you know that fresh vegies are GST free. You only have to pay for buying them :romanrelax: :chef:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:The coalition is saying that the Treasury is corrupt!!
I guess they would know there were the ones to corrupt it.
Where is Godwin Gretsch these days? Remember UTEGATE???
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Julia come over to WA today - her third visit.She thinks highly of the good people from Western Australia.
Apparently this is the most visits we have ever had in an election period from a Prime Minister/Leader of the Opposition. (except Kim Beasley - but as he lived here - I dont think it really counts).
Thats just not right
Wednesday night 10pm.
I am predicting that the Labor Government will be returned to office with a majority of seven seats!!
Hmm.. I have to find you a shortened nickname:funaward:
Ela?
Elan?
El-ant?
Ant?
Nope none of those sound right.
What about .................
Trala hmmm that has a bit if a ring to it:)
The day Gillard stopped spinning: NSW indefensible
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/the-day-gillard-stopped-spinning-nsw-indefensible-20100819-12mor.html
the NSW labor government has been run for years by the same faceless men that now run labor federally
OH !!! Dear !!
Trala !!! you kind of walked into that one LOL
Spot the difference.
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One has ears sticking out the side of its head.
Rudd avoids insulation victim's family
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/rudd-avoids-insulation-victims-family/story-fn3dxity-1225908159317
GUTLESS
Hey Mum! I thought you said that this would be all over before the count came to WA????
We should be planting wheat, barley, rye in the riverland where all the grapes and fruit trees have been pulled
I am sure that there are VAST areas of Australia that could and should be irrigated, it would give a lot of people jobs and make the land fertile giving more people oppertunities.
Put the money into that project instead of the NBN.
now that will leave a big back hole in the budget