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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #100 on: March 30, 2010, 04:41:00 AM »

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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #103 on: March 30, 2010, 04:33:28 PM »
a fascinating read Loco and the key to the article is near the bottom.

The success of the introduction of these filters is going to depend on opposition support ( and I presume the independants )

I also took the poll and wasný surprised at the result

4% yes to filter
1 % indifferent
95 % NO to filter


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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #104 on: March 30, 2010, 04:51:00 PM »
Read some of the comments...  Saw this one:

my goodness... government policy..

this will lose my vote

Posted By:  shaky | melbourne - March 30, 2010, 11:22AM



Reminds me of this statement.....


If the government is stupid enough to push this through, the opposition will win the next election in a landslide with the simplest and cheapest campaign ever - just had out flyers saying "We will repeal the internet censorship legislation".

The silent majority has a powerful and unswayed voice in the process of the secret ballot.  If it is intimidated in speaking out now, it will not be at election time...!


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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #105 on: March 30, 2010, 05:21:25 PM »
G'day Wyze,

So according to the poll results.... the 'ayes' have it! Well, according to Conroy anyhow.

And Brum..... the same would apply to me - I will seriously consider where my vote goes at the next election.

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« Reply #106 on: March 30, 2010, 05:27:47 PM »
Thanks for mentioning the comments Brum - I hadn't read them....

As an australian mother I am fearful of this governments agenda, I have never ever seen child porn on the net , i thank Google for being a much more honest and open company than Senator Conroy has been as a Communications and Broadband Senator. I am maybe over the top but I cry today for my country , for the disappearance of freedom to information and ideas and the fact that democracy does not exist .Australia is no longer the lucky country under this dictator style of government, a government that will not listen to its people, and even goes so far as to use fear and repression of the truth for its own unwanted schemes.This government stance has made me feel ashamed of my country , until now I have always felt proud to be called Australian , now I am condemned by this governments innuendo to be labelled pro child porn because I do not agree with censorship, or the fear tactics and outright lies that Conroy uses
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And this....

Can someone please tell Conroy to get out of my bedroom, loungeroom and kitchen. Why do these idiots feel the need to run my life for me?

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« Reply #107 on: March 30, 2010, 06:34:27 PM »
G'day Wyze,

So according to the poll results.... the 'ayes' have it! Well, according to Conroy anyhow.

And Brum..... the same would apply to me - I will seriously consider where my vote goes at the next election.

hi Loco

The NAY's overwhelmingly have it.

No to internet censorship that is - a staggering but not surprising 95 % don't want this filter or censorship of the internet

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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #108 on: March 30, 2010, 09:21:05 PM »
http://swz.salary.com/execcomp/layoutscripts/excl_companysearch.asp

So the PM gets $300,000,  some executives get 20 to 30 times that!  (see MYKI site) and they are FAILURES also! (would I want the job, no way get flocked, flock off.)  Conroy will fall asleep in Garretts arms tonight!

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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #109 on: March 30, 2010, 10:35:44 PM »
A few minutes ago the 'Nays' went t 96%  ;D
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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #110 on: March 30, 2010, 10:39:49 PM »
Isn't it strange how history repeats! John Howard was always accused of not listening to the people. Although it's Senator Conroy apparently calling the shots on this one..... where is the PM? All the reputable evidence against this change - along with the public outcry..... and who's not listening now? Perhaps Conroy is just the scapegoat for a very poor decision.

Forgot to add: Wrote to Tony Abbott this afternoon regarding this matter - requesting his position on this idea. Will post response if forthcoming.

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« Reply #111 on: March 30, 2010, 11:03:19 PM »
I am not sure they care what anyone thinks and that is always a mistake. Or, Senator Conroy is being used to sound out the public reaction.

Either way, I have the feeling internet filtering will occur in some form unless the Opposition and Independents oppose it's introduction completely.  :(

The next Federal Election should prove interesting.
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« Reply #112 on: March 31, 2010, 11:39:21 AM »
Well, This was certainly worth waiting for!

Thank you for your email to the Leader of the Opposition, the Hon Tony Abbott MP.

Your views are being brought to Mr Abbott’s attention.

It is vital that the Coalition knows what people are thinking so that we can represent the interests of all Australians, and present people with a credible and inspiring alternative at the next election. 

Sadly, the Rudd Government has broken many of the promises they made to the Australian people in 2007 and this Prime Minister is increasingly looking like he is all talk and no action.

You can be assured that in this election year, the Coalition will have a practical, direct and budgeted plan for Australia’s future.

If you would like to receive regular updates from my office, please sign up to our e-news updates by visiting www.tonyabbott.com.au/. For more detailed policy information please go to www.liberal.org.au/.

Thank you again for taking the time to pass on your thoughts.





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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #113 on: March 31, 2010, 12:30:35 PM »

Hi Loco

requesting his position on this idea

I see you got a response...but can't see where he answered your question...it infuriates me that they can't answer a simple goddamn question..or is it in there somewhere and I have missed it??

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« Reply #114 on: March 31, 2010, 12:43:21 PM »

Hi Loco

requesting his position on this idea

I see you got a response...but can't see where he answered your question...it infuriates me that they can't answer a simple goddamn question..or is it in there somewhere and I have missed it??

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« Reply #115 on: March 31, 2010, 12:48:39 PM »

Hi Loco

requesting his position on this idea

I see you got a response...but can't see where he answered your question...it infuriates me that they can't answer a simple goddamn question..or is it in there somewhere and I have missed it??

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Hi Westie... before you can understand a politicians answer you must drop your iQ to -3 .... or alternatively beat yourself about ya head with a solid object for 10 minutes before attempting to read what they have written and class as text...


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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #116 on: March 31, 2010, 01:17:11 PM »
G'day Westie and Yibs...

No - no answer at all. Mind you - I did expect that. Non-committal barsteds politicians!

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« Reply #117 on: March 31, 2010, 01:19:15 PM »


i am sorry loco and guys but really NEITHER of the parties imbue me with any confidence and Abbott seems so hell bent on being Rudd's perpetual critic he cant see the wood for the trees, Turnbull was better (and there were a lot of questions over him and the whole issue of the HIH collapse and hs advisory role at MacQuarie Bank  - i.e. what did he know that he should have disclosed so that thousands of Mum's and Dads did not lose their money on the collapse?) since Abbot has now had to about face virtually on health, he is eating his own words.

I tend to agree if leaning any way with Mandurah Mum, Rudd has done a ton more on health care than Abbot ever did or would now and at least they are building those super centres so successful elsewhere, they have done something for the pensioners (as opposed to nothing by previous) although still not enough and at least they are trying.

Its nothing to be proud of as Howard and Costello used to crow about running the country so well, when in fact the GST revenue which is massive (a "core" promise never to bring it in broken by Abbott's hero JH) means a child could effectively balance the books, not rocket science and precious little of that money went out to hospitals or the elderly sick and carers and Howard had three terms to improve the system and failed.

Anyway NONE of them really listen to the people who know in health care for example, look at Jenny Brockie's program last night on SBS as an example, neither party really listen and its a pity indeed we are a two horse system, just crazy, i just wonder under EITHER of the new plans if the real changes needed will be effected, somehow I doubt it, what we need are politicians who are REAL people with real concern to make REAL change not bureaucratic token gestures that end up sucking up countless funds in meaningless administration costs and legal advice, and inquiries, you wonder if any of these wallies have an ounce of common sense.

I dont agree with the internet filter, its using a sledgehammer to squash a gnat, a typical polly mistake, whatever Rudd's failings though at least he has followed through on some things which is probably why he is rating better than Abbott who only knows how to be an aggressive Rhodes Scholar yobbo

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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #118 on: March 31, 2010, 02:05:49 PM »
 "....NEITHER of the parties imbue me with any confidence..."

That is how I feel.


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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #119 on: March 31, 2010, 03:12:50 PM »
Politicians in my view have many obligations - most of which are jettisoned by politicians in the corridors of oil-wheeling power-consolidation.

It has corrupted many a good person who thought that by having ideals, they could change politics.

They can't - and that's not because it's impossible, but because in any situation where a group of individuals has power or influence over the entire populace, considerations other than the well-being of the populace slide insensibly into first place - eroding the very responsibility of those individuals into degraded rubble.

No matter how wise or well-considered or morally right Mr Conroy thinks himself to be, or thinks his government to be, he ought to consider what power this filter is giving to the hands of anyone who comes after him. The power to screen and deny the flow of international information, debate and views... It ought not to be in the hands of a government.

(And this is not even taking into consideration Mr Conroy's lack of technical knowledge, his poorly based assumptions, the fact that I don't agree with his views or think he is wise, etc.)

I understand this restrictive choice-destroying procedure is being touted as Christian in some way...? But I can't imagine how anyone could see this as "Christian" at all! Mr Conroy has forgotten the bit in the Garden of Eden.

Or perhaps he's rewritten it as follows:

And the LORD Mr Conroy commanded the people, "You are NOT free to look at the sites uploaded on the world wide web; because I don't trust you and have to prevent you from ever looking at the sites that have content of which I disapprove, for when you view of it you will surely be corrupted. You are all such ignorant silly-billies in my sight and I must protect you from the whole free-will malarkey."

In the original, God is shown allowing people free will. In Mr Conroy's version, he's decided that's just a bad idea. God got it all wrong. Stop the mongrels from even THINKING about going near that fruit on the tree... That's how it should be done... right?
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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #120 on: March 31, 2010, 03:30:06 PM »
In the original, God is shown allowing people free will. In Mr Conroy's version, he's decided that's just a bad idea. God got it all wrong. Stop the mongrels from even THINKING about going near that fruit on the tree... That's how it should be done... right?

So - Mr Conroy considers himself to above God...... anyone care to kick in a few dollars for a new alter for him to stand atop? Or should that be a timber cross?

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« Reply #121 on: March 31, 2010, 03:41:35 PM »
God: Don't eat from the fruit of that tree.
Stephen Conroy: That tree is blacklisted and I'm going to hide it under this white sheet so that you will not be tempted.
Stephen Conroy #2: Men, have we finished putting up that electrified fence around that tree?
Stephen Conroy #3: No, I am not telling you in which orchard that tree is.
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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #122 on: March 31, 2010, 05:55:29 PM »

Now that I'm retired I reckon I will stand & seek election as a Federal politician. After winning a seat I will go for the top job (Prime Minister). Non of this Global Warming garbage, my main carrot danglers will be;

Money back if your horse doesn't run a place and;

Cut the Excise duty on beer.

There you have it. I will win by a landslide.

Other policy suggestions are welcome and will be considered.

 

 

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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #123 on: March 31, 2010, 06:00:16 PM »
Tax Deductable Pluto Pups - and an incentive plan for users of Pepsi Max wouldn't go astray.
FREE and COPIUS amounts of Brussell Sprouts for retired politicians.

Thinking..... thinking...

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« Reply #124 on: March 31, 2010, 06:03:39 PM »
I think your onto something brilliant Loco. I'm a bit dubious about the Sprouts though.

I like your forward thinking. There could be a seat in Parliament for you. Minister for something, that can be worked out later.

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Re: Compulsory Australian Internet Filter Coming Mid-2010
« Reply #125 on: March 31, 2010, 06:12:29 PM »
Well Ubbie..... I did think seriously about the sprouts..... but - Pollies are full of crap anyhow...... they might as well be environmentally friendly! Think of it as a sacrifice..... if they eat them - the rest of us won't have to. It'll save the farmers going broke. Good for the country!

thinking...... pollies could also set their own targets..... 50 mtrs for a broad head arrow. ;D


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« Reply #126 on: March 31, 2010, 06:20:28 PM »
Yep I reckon your right Loco.

Gotta remember though If and when I gain power I will choose politicians who will be good for the country not a bunch of ratbag lying & deceitful fleabitten tree apes.

You would be a very good minister for Keelhauling. How good are you with a rope?

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« Reply #127 on: March 31, 2010, 06:28:56 PM »
Ubbie! What a wonderful and giving offer! I'm humbled. But - you know that I couldn't accept such an offer. You have conducted that task soooo well - ever since I came here.... and before. Mind you.... I would be honoured to assist you!

Not much good with a rope..... much better with a shotgun - but having said that - I certainly could improvise. 

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« Reply #128 on: March 31, 2010, 06:31:47 PM »
I'll lend you my Barret 50 cal. It sorts out sinners.

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« Reply #129 on: March 31, 2010, 06:35:24 PM »
DONE! I know..... I could be your minister for Loud Bangs. (the current or past mob have never bestowed such responsibility on a minister before)

Imagine that..... "Yes, Come in.... BOOOOOOM. Anything else that I can do for you?" (pinched the last bit from 'Live Help')

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« Reply #130 on: March 31, 2010, 08:35:14 PM »

In the original, God is shown allowing people free will. In Mr Conroy's version, he's decided that's just a bad idea. God got it all wrong. Stop the mongrels from even THINKING about going near that fruit on the tree... That's how it should be done... right?

So those mongrels names were???   EVE!!!  GENDER = ??    MEN should've put up the electric fence!! Of course we know better!   :lol:


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« Reply #131 on: March 31, 2010, 08:58:15 PM »


we wouldnt be here wuthout eve i should remind you goldie at this juncture .....

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« Reply #132 on: March 31, 2010, 08:59:07 PM »


even eves come from eves .... and i don't mean the roofing business

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« Reply #133 on: March 31, 2010, 08:59:35 PM »

adams help things along a little, sure ...

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« Reply #134 on: March 31, 2010, 09:02:07 PM »
Thanks STEVE :mankiss:  Or do I mean  :-*  I'm so confusssseeed!!  :airkiss:

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« Reply #135 on: March 31, 2010, 09:06:06 PM »


yes ima but like some of these very fast african runners these days lol

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« Reply #136 on: March 31, 2010, 09:06:52 PM »


and even i come from an eve .... but she could have also been a steve

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« Reply #137 on: March 31, 2010, 09:07:35 PM »


and there folks is a very controversial "firecracker" thread totally trashed .... lol

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« Reply #138 on: March 31, 2010, 09:11:38 PM »
Who trashed what thread???   :idea: and where is  :ubbie: Thats the one in a skirt not the real ubbie.  nudge, nudge

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« Reply #139 on: March 31, 2010, 09:15:47 PM »
ur a l8 loller goldie face ut, dunno ubbie has a twin? u mean we need a keel hauling?

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« Reply #140 on: March 31, 2010, 09:21:48 PM »
Who trashed what thread???   :idea: and where is  :ubbie: Thats the one in a skirt not the real ubbie.  nudge, nudge

 So what wrong with wearing a skirt ?.....

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« Reply #141 on: March 31, 2010, 09:24:45 PM »
Yes BENNY HILL exactly... :rolleyes:

I see her emoticons been removed!!   :hornetsnest:












 :rofl: L8 yes, meaningful though!

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« Reply #142 on: April 03, 2010, 05:15:38 PM »
a link to comment on Conroy's and labour government decision re the filter from Whirlpool, loco posted a linbk for internet plans on whirlpool or comments on speeds and allocations on whirlpool on another thread and they are worth looking at on whirlpool also -

http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/government-tech-policy/37994-captain-conroy-internet-enforcer-slams-google

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« Reply #143 on: April 06, 2010, 05:19:24 AM »
Two Thirds of Internet-connected households child free
Although the clean-feed policy is targeted solely at "vulnerable" children, official statistics show that a large majority of internet-connected households in Australia have no children under 15.

According to ABS research (Household use of information technology2006-07), the number of households with internet access was:

Households without children under 15: 3.356 million
Households with children under 15: 1.782 million
Total: 5.138 million


When the objective of an ISP based filtering system is “to give peace of mind to mums and dads” (as indicated in a Labor media release), it seems it would be an irresponsible waste of tax payer funding to implement a mandatory system applicable to 100% of households with Internet access (5.1 million) when only 34% have children under 15 years (1.8 million), due to the likelihood that most households without children would not particularly want a filtered service.

Further, the 34% of households with children under 15 years would include:
the third of parents of children aged 8 to 13 years who have a filter installed; and
the two-thirds of parents of children aged 8 to 13 years who do not have a filter installed, 67% of which choose not to install filtering software because either they trust their child or feel that installing software is redundant because of their use of other safeguards. It is highly questionable whether those parents would want mandatory ISP filtering.

The Current total cost of implementing ISP-level filtering (Clean feed) would be over $45 million for initial setup and over $33 million per annum, for something that will NOT work.

Good to see our hard earned taxpayer's dollars being spent wisely yet again.
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« Reply #144 on: April 07, 2010, 10:42:16 PM »
It annoys intensely me when I think of what that money should be used for. 
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« Reply #145 on: April 08, 2010, 08:13:03 PM »
Google: An open web helps keep the bastards honest

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/google-view-on-isp-filtering/

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« Reply #146 on: April 08, 2010, 09:51:22 PM »
I agree.
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« Reply #147 on: April 09, 2010, 01:45:19 AM »
Loco, I must admit one of the comments below the article made me laugh, then frown with dismay at the inherent reality.


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    "Don't worry about it.  I attended a community book burning last night where all art books that had nudity in them were burnt. Although one lady tried to ruin the atmosphere with comments regarding free speech, I mentioned to our “leader” that she was casting spells to turn our children into free thinkers and the mob took care of her…..."
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« Reply #148 on: April 09, 2010, 09:51:37 AM »
GAWWWWD Liisa, I didn't think any asylum allowed the residents to play with matches!  ;D

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« Reply #149 on: April 09, 2010, 01:38:24 PM »

book collectors of very old erotica have some amazing treasures in the way of ancient books, there was a doc on sbs or abc a few months back on it, much of it controversial, its an art form, erotica will survive filter or no filter and sadly just makes those wishing to push those boundaries even more cunning, but as long as society denies not everyone is plain vanilla and has to dictate to them what and when to read the problem gets exacerbated, i mean the roman had wild erotica, most cultures the more its suppressed imo the more outrageous it gets so its a catch 22, as mentioned here, there are tons of filters for the net for kids you can buy and do a way better job than the sledgehammer approach of a national filter

imo people like to bury their head sin the sand over these issues, tons of high court judges globally have been caught in public toilets and yet they would be the ones presiding over judgment of the people breaking the rules, society has many double standards and is complex, people are complex and not all intrinsically good or bad, usually a mixture of both with some notable exceptions like psychopaths and extremists etc. Look at countries for example where homosexuality is against the country's laws or religion its rife underground, a society thats open about issues like nudity and sex is usually the one that suffers least from radical behavior the mystery and "forbidden fruit" taken out there is less appeal