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The Round Table / Re: Tales From The Narc Side
« Last post by tellomon on May 27, 2024, 02:10:58 PM »Are there narcissists who are so far gone that they don't even know they're narcissists and perhaps even think their VICTIMS are the narcissists?
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First off they are victims of narcissists.
Second the disorder is such that it is baked into their personality.
That’s why they call it a personality disorder.
It is a disorder to protect the victim (narcissist) from shame.
They don’t know they have it unless they are higher on the spectrum and self aware.
There are many who are unaware they are narcissists but aware of the abuse they inflict.
It is a maladaptive coping mechanism that was learned to survive the abuse from childhood.
Other people who have suffered under this abuse came out differently.
As a survivor myself of decades of covert abuse from psychopaths within my family I don’t have any idea why I’m so called “Normal” or neurotypical..
The psychological community has basically written off personality disorders as permanent accept for Borderline Personality Disorder.
If this has changed, I would like to know.
There are only a few who are trying to reverse this trajectory.
Follow Dr. Elinor Greenberg here if you’re interested in learning more about this.
It is their responsibility to do something about this mess and she is trying to do something about it.
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Who narcissists say they are and who they are in reality never, ever is the truth.
Deep down they would know how evil they are, but they will never admit to that.
It serves them to gaslight us and project onto us.
If you are intent to keep someone your victim and have zero empathy inside you, would you not blame your victim for everything?
Stay safe and stay away from them please.
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Who you're describing are all over Quora and in life in general.
I've addressed this issue a whole lot and get alot of backlash from it from the so-called victims. these same victims actually know they're dealing with a disordered person and still want to do real physical harm to them. do a search on Quora for narc groups and you'll see names something like “how to hurt the narc”, “how to get revenge on the narc” etc. .
Who in their right mind wants to torture a disordered person? yet these people claim to be victims who are nothing like the narc who hurt them?
Yes, some narcs don't know they're narcs and some are called “lesser” narcs bc they know they're different and something is not right.
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Very commonly, yes. Although some self-aware narcissists have the ability to see the situation from a more objective lens.
The thing with narcissists is, they are so self-centered and have such a dominating ego, that they really cannot, for the most part, see past their own ego and self-interests.
What this translates into, is someone who does not understand that there are people with interests, feelings, opinions, wishes, outside themselves.
And if they do catch glimpses of such things, they don't care enough to hold onto the realization. They fall back onto thinking, everyone and everything, is an extension of them. The narcissist is the center of all things.
So, for instance, if the narcissist is in a relationship and they have to make a single sacrifice, a single compromise, then they will see themselves as the victim, even if the partner has made 100 sacrifices, 100 compromises, for every 1 made by the narcissist.
The narcissist simply can't see past the “me, me, me".
There is no “we", just “me" or “you serve me".